Intruder tangles with retired elite soldier

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18 Jun 2010, 6:27 am

wish i was that tough.



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18 Jun 2010, 6:35 am

Ahh yes, the home invasion robbery, relatively rare in the States yet not in the Commonwealth countries. Guess this fellow was just more luckless than most, though you'd think that having worked for his intended victim for four years might have alerted him to the man's background... :roll:


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18 Jun 2010, 7:27 am

Dox 47 why do you seem to want to pick on Commonwealth nations,
This home invasion was most likely reported due to the rarity of said crime and the amusing (read "comparatively happy") outcome.
Your nation is not perfect do not attempt to malign others based on their geographical location.



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18 Jun 2010, 9:55 am

Blasterx343 wrote:
Dox 47 why do you seem to want to pick on Commonwealth nations,
This home invasion was most likely reported due to the rarity of said crime and the amusing (read "comparatively happy") outcome.
Your nation is not perfect do not attempt to malign others based on their geographical location.


Trust me, I never hear the end of my nation's imperfections and am often it's most vocal critic. I certainly don't let that stop me from criticizing other countries when it's due though, in this case I pick on the Commonwealth because I despise their increasingly authoritarian bent and knee jerk prohibitions every someone misuses some item or another. Thus my pointing out that home invasions comprise a much larger percentage of burglaries in Commonwealth countries than in the US, because they've prohibited their citizens from owning or even improvising any means of defending themselves making this violent style of robbery much less risky.


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18 Jun 2010, 10:35 am

I dunno Dox.
US Burglaries = 2,151,875
Australian Burglaries = 436,865

This equates to approx 0.7/100 people for US and approx 2/100 people for Australia

Question is do we want to trade you firearm murders and firearm assaults and armed robberies for the 1.5/100 difference? I am all good with the burglary rate being as it is.



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18 Jun 2010, 4:17 pm

rossc wrote:
I dunno Dox.
US Burglaries = 2,151,875
Australian Burglaries = 436,865

This equates to approx 0.7/100 people for US and approx 2/100 people for Australia

Question is do we want to trade you firearm murders and firearm assaults and armed robberies for the 1.5/100 difference? I am all good with the burglary rate being as it is.


It's not the overall burglary rate I'm talking about, but the percentage of burglaries that are of the much more dangerous home invasion type. Also sometimes called a "hot burglary", these occur when a burglar prefers to knowingly enter an occupied dwelling. Professional American burglars take great pains to make sure their targeted home is unoccupied, most often operating during business hours and even knocking on doors before commencing a break in. Prison interviews have established that their greatest fear is not apprehension, but a confrontation with an armed homeowner who does not have the same rules of engagement as the police and who's reaction is far less predictable. It's not just about the guns either, in the UK in particular it is illegal to arm yourself, even with something like a golf club or kitchen knife, prior to checking out a noise in your home in the night. The law requires you to first discern of any criminal present is similarly equipped before arming yourself, to insure that you don't use what the law considers "excessive" force. Clearly, the legal system has skewed the balance of favor towards the burglar, and the percentage of burglars who prefer to work hot is much greater than in the US as a result. Hot burglaries are one of the most dangerous of all crimes, with the power dynamics created making torture, rape and murder much more likely than in other crimes because of the prolonged nature of the contact and the complete control the perpetrator has over the victim. I certainly am no fan of the US criminal justice system, but at least we're generally allowed to defend ourselves in our own homes without fear of legal sanction, and our confrontation avoiding burglars are just evidence of the rightness of this.


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19 Jun 2010, 3:38 am

Oh right OK. I live in Australia and have all my life so I am wondering what percentage of these you had in mind of these "hot burglaries".
I can tell you that there have been among people I know throughout life (39 years) two instances that I know of among friends. Neither was violent.
So your idea of the proliferation of these in "Commonwealth countries" or even "Australia" in general would be useful.