A Shrink Asks: What's Wrong with Obama?

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Willard
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14 Jun 2010, 12:20 pm

Full 'American Thinker' Article


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So what is the matter with Obama? Conservatives have been asking this question for some time. I've written a number of articles trying to solve the mystery.

Even some liberals are starting to wonder. James Carville railed about Obama's blasé attitude after the catastrophic oil spill. The New York Times' Maureen Dowd revamped Obama's "Yes We Can" motto into "Will We Ever?"

The liberal women of the TV show "The View" have expressed sympathy for Michelle Obama's living with a man so out of touch. Peggy Noonan, hardly a vehement Obama foe, recently pronounced him disconnected.

Obama's odd mannerisms intrigue a psychotherapist like me. He also presents a serious diagnostic challenge.

For one, Obama's teleprompter and the men behind the Blackberry keep him well-scripted. We know so little about the facts of his life.

But it's more than just a lack of information. Obama himself is a strange bird. He doesn't fit easily into any diagnostic category.

Many people attribute Obama's oddness to his narcissism. True, Obama has a gargantuan ego, and he is notoriously thin-skinned.

Yet a personality disorder like narcissism does not explain Obama's strangeness: his giggling while being asked about the economy; his continuing a shout-out rather than announcing the Ft. Hood shootings; or his vacations, golfing, partying and fundraising during the calamitous oil spill.

Take also Obama's declaring on the "Today Show" that he wants to know whose ass to kick. Consummate narcissists would never stoop to this vulgar display of adolescent machismo.

Obama is flat when passion is needed; he's aggressive when savvy is required. What's most worrisome is that Obama doesn't even realize that his behavior is inappropriate.

So if it's not just simple narcissism, what is wrong with Obama? Since I've never evaluated him, I can't say for sure. But I can hazard some educated guesses.

If I saw a client as disconnected as him, the first thing I would wonder: Is something wrong with his brain? And I'd consider the following theoretical diagnostic possibilities.

--Physical problems: There are a multitude of physiological conditions that can cause people to act strangely. For instance: head injuries, endocrine disturbances, epilepsy, and toxic chemical exposure.

It makes me wonder: Did Obama ever have a head injury? His stepfather in Indonesia was purportedly an alcoholic abuser. Was Obama subject to any physical abuse?

-- Drugs and alcohol: Damage to the brain from drugs and alcohol can also cause significant cognitive impairments. Obama once said that there were 57 states -- and didn't correct himself. Memory problems can be caused by both illicit and prescription drug use.

Obama admits to a history of drug use in his youth. Did his usage cause some damage? Does Obama still use?

--Asperger's Syndrome: Also known as high-functioning autism, Asperger's causes deficits in social skills. A person with Asperger's can't read social cues. Consequently, he can be insensitive and hurtful without even knowing it.

Could Obama have Asperger's?
He might have some mild traits, but certainly not the full-blown disorder. In contrast to Obama, those with Asperger's get fixated on some behavior, like programming computers. Obama lacks this kind of passion and zeal.


I must say, I'm getting pretty damned insulted at the way the media is starting to blame Asperger Syndrome for every undesirable or stereotypically nerdy behavior in the world. If they knew anything about the disorder the writer would realize how unlikely it is that anyone with AS would (or could) ever become a politician in the first place. The amount of socializing (and correct socializing) required make that type of pursuit highly unlikely if not outright impossible. If you can gladhand and pathologically lie like that, you might be a sociopath, but you probably don't have any form of Autism. :roll:



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14 Jun 2010, 12:28 pm

That's what my first thoughts were when reading this article.


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14 Jun 2010, 12:57 pm

Obama does not have Asperger's, I'm sure.


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14 Jun 2010, 1:32 pm

It's a right wing publication pretending to a neutral P.O.V. so as to attack a left wing (well, as left as the US political landscape goes) politician, so it's fundamentally untrustworthy. :roll:


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14 Jun 2010, 1:55 pm

Willard wrote:
I must say, I'm getting pretty damned insulted at the way the media is starting to blame Asperger Syndrome for every undesirable or stereotypically nerdy behavior in the world. If they knew anything about the disorder the writer would realize how unlikely it is that anyone with AS would (or could) ever become a politician in the first place. The amount of socializing (and correct socializing) required make that type of pursuit highly unlikely if not outright impossible. If you can gladhand and pathologically lie like that, you might be a sociopath, but you probably don't have any form of Autism. :roll:


I can lie like a champ, and have Asperger's. My brother was high up in several groups that required politician like skills, and has Asperger's. My son loves large amounts of socialization, and has autism.

Saying that those traits make it unlikely to be on the spectrum is just as insulting as that article.



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14 Jun 2010, 2:35 pm

I agree that it is unlikely that any ASD person will become the supreme politician. I dislike the article not because of its skew, but because it tries to diagnose the president. Only the president's therapist can really do that. They had an article about how Bush had Mental Retardation, again, done by Psychologist (likely with partisan objectives) without access to the president.

You found this article on the internet. This somewhat rules out its reasonableness.



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14 Jun 2010, 2:59 pm

AngryRobotsInc wrote:
Willard wrote:
I must say, I'm getting pretty damned insulted at the way the media is starting to blame Asperger Syndrome for every undesirable or stereotypically nerdy behavior in the world. If they knew anything about the disorder the writer would realize how unlikely it is that anyone with AS would (or could) ever become a politician in the first place. The amount of socializing (and correct socializing) required make that type of pursuit highly unlikely if not outright impossible. If you can gladhand and pathologically lie like that, you might be a sociopath, but you probably don't have any form of Autism. :roll:


I can lie like a champ, and have Asperger's. My brother was high up in several groups that required politician like skills, and has Asperger's. My son loves large amounts of socialization, and has autism.

Saying that those traits make it unlikely to be on the spectrum is just as insulting as that article.


Yeah, I can too. My current psych has been considering a few other things to put along-side my AS and ADD/ADHD combo. He acknowledged the fact that I am EXTREMELY GOOD at putting up a facade/Front (he even said better than NTs can. so yeah he actually uses the term NT). I get my socialization cravings just like your son as well.

So yeah, im starting to doubt my AS diagnosis more and more lately.


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14 Jun 2010, 3:47 pm

I agree, I don't think Obama has Asperger's but I'm sick of all the speculation that he's a droid just because he's cautious about what he says and how he says it. Bush certainly did the US no favors with his bantam rooster strut and swagger.



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14 Jun 2010, 3:54 pm

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21 Jun 2010, 12:33 pm

I am very suspicious of any "professional" that considers it ethical to attempt diagnosis of someone he or she has never spoken to, without a request for services. Not only that, but if the "professional" believes their speculative diagnosis to have any merit whatsoever, it would be a serious breach of privacy to publish the "diagnosis."

Why listen to professionals who obviously lack an understanding and respect of professional ethics?



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21 Jun 2010, 11:08 pm

I doubt that Obama is on the spectrum.


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22 Jun 2010, 2:19 am

He is possibly cracking under the pressure from his job, but I dont think he has AS, I think he is an introvert NT.

Stupid, ridiculous, insulting article, but sadly it wont be the last article we see insulting AS people. In fact I see people insulting AS people and autistic people online quite a bit. I think the person writing the article is the douchebag, not people on the spectrum.


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22 Jun 2010, 2:38 am

[quote="Willard"
I must say, I'm getting pretty damned insulted at the way the media is starting to blame Asperger Syndrome for every undesirable or stereotypically nerdy behavior in the world.[/quote]

*pictures Obama singing "White and Nerdy" in his presidential Cadillac limo*

I think it's easy to get labeled AS though, from what everyone is saying here either the criteria are too lax or it's not as serious as they think (or it is and they are just making it too concrete of definition not leaving room for "mildly" AS or whatever you want to call it)



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22 Jun 2010, 2:46 am

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Because Obama will not change. He will not learn from his mistakes. He will not grow and mature from on-the-job experience. In fact, over time, Obama will likely become a more ferocious version of who he is today.

Why? Because this is a damaged person. Obama's fate was sealed years ago growing up in his strange and poisonous family. Later on, his empty vessel was filled with the hateful bile of men like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers.

Obama will not evolve; he will not rise to the occasion; he will not become the man he was meant to be. This is for one reason and one reason alone:

He is not capable of it.


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John_Browning wrote:
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Because Obama will not change. He will not learn from his mistakes. He will not grow and mature from on-the-job experience. In fact, over time, Obama will likely become a more ferocious version of who he is today.

Why? Because this is a damaged person. Obama's fate was sealed years ago growing up in his strange and poisonous family. Later on, his empty vessel was filled with the hateful bile of men like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers.

Obama will not evolve; he will not rise to the occasion; he will not become the man he was meant to be. This is for one reason and one reason alone:

He is not capable of it.
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