al-Zarqawi Killed, when will it be Bin Laden's day?

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08 Jun 2006, 5:19 pm

Bin Laden is far more useful to the Bush regime alive than dead. Anytime things are looking bleak for them they can come up with a new tape to keep the sheeple scared.



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08 Jun 2006, 5:25 pm

He's a nut with a voice that goes on T.V, nothing more.



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08 Jun 2006, 5:46 pm

jdbob wrote:
Bin Laden is far more useful to the Bush regime alive than dead. Anytime things are looking bleak for them they can come up with a new tape to keep the sheeple scared.


Which is why we will never realy Know if is truely dead or not unless he is captured which I don't belive will ever happen


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09 Jun 2006, 3:03 am

If bin Laden is dead, I doubt that it will be stated on the news at the present time. It makes more sense to keep him alive in the public mind, because then they can keep on whipping up support for the current war and probably more wars in the future, such as a possible one with Iran. I think it will take a regime change in the United States before the truth comes out. Also, I do not trust most of what is witnessed through the news, which is mostly a lot of filtered information. We know from the days of COINTELPRO that the government can stage anything it wants for the purpose of pushing some sort of opinion across. If the government learned from past mistakes, I suspect that today they will whip up stories of hate and fright to keep the public in line. The government has ran the verge of massive protests already, and every time Bush goes down in the polls, some other tape or alert comes flying across the television screens and newspapers.

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09 Jun 2006, 5:37 am

A very ill concieved move there. Cutting off the Hydra's head won't kill the beast. Ive never known the death of one man to hinder a movement completly in military occupations and gurella warfare. See Israel when it blowed up the old and infirm leader of hamas in his wheelchair with a gunship helecopter a few years back, that really affected their chances of getting power. Lesson to take from that, never trust a fella in charge of running your country who has a girlie sounding surname.

If the US is planning on an invasion of Iran I think its in for a very nasty shock. They already tried to give Iraq weapons and WMD to take out Iran 2 decades ago and that didn't work, its a vast country compared to Iraq with far more hostile terrain that favours the defender. No army in the world will fight the western armies in conventional open warfare it will be another gruelling war of attrition. The recent change in policy recently towards negotiation is playing exactly into the way arabs deal in business. It also is absurd to deny a country sitting on a huge stash of uranium to not conduct its own nuclear power, if were so worried about terrorists obtaining nuclear weapons then look to the former soviet union they have "LOST" 100+ warheads from their arsenal and what a coincidence that Libya had 14 of them when it came open about its WMD.



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15 Jun 2006, 10:28 am

I'm almost convinced Bush is waiting til 2008 to say he's already found him and then hold one of those public executions and pull the switch. Then the historians can put a positive spin on his "legacy." Yeah right.



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15 Jun 2006, 11:37 pm

sc wrote:
He's a nut with a voice that goes on T.V, nothing more.


Zarqawi's influence accounts for less than 10% of the insurgencies in Iraq. He is nothing more than a mad man that capitalized on media hype with beheadings; he was about as important as Dennis Rodman to the NBA with the purple hair and wedding dress. I believe we accually benefited more by having him around; he was a delusional impure Muslim that polarized a block of sunnis away from the insurgency and accually forced division between Iraqi nationalist insurgents and foreign jihadists. This could be why US Special Operations Forces admitted to aquiring him in their cross hairs numerous times. Only until now was it finally beneficial to squash him; the Iraqi government is complete. Interesting to note that he is not really Al Qaeda. Originally his organization was Ansar Al Sunna; he changed the name to maximize media coverage.

Meanwhile....

Bin Laden is the CIA's manchurian candidate. He is a cats paw to exoterically justify countering Sino-Russian influence in Central Asia and the Middle East(IE The SCO, Iraq, Iran, and Caspain Oil and Gas) by planting bases in the Middle East, Central Asia and around the China Sea. Al Quada is arabic for "the base" or more accurately "the database"; it is CIA slang for NSA modified PROMIS(prosecuters management information system) software database compiled of mujahadeen warriors worldwide- to jack someone up just agitate your little pool of jihadists-see Bosnia, Chechnya and the Soviet Afghan War. I must go now and recharge my tin foil hat in the microwave; the men in black may read my mind and come to kill me.



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16 Jun 2006, 1:04 pm

I thought Al- Zarquawi was dead. Anyway, I can't wait for Osama Bin-Ladin to be dead.



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16 Jun 2006, 2:37 pm

The U.S will probably have to deal with the new head of Al Qaeda in Iraq now. The problem is we know about nothing concerning his backround (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ayyub_al-Masri). I myself doubt that Al Qaeda's or Al Qaeda in Iraq for that matter will be abolished/destroyed any time soon. If anything, his death will probably inspire fanatical followers to attempt to acheive "Revenge".



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16 Jun 2006, 8:09 pm

Anubis612 wrote:
The U.S will probably have to deal with the new head of Al Qaeda in Iraq now. The problem is we know about nothing concerning his backround (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ayyub_al-Masri). I myself doubt that Al Qaeda's or Al Qaeda in Iraq for that matter will be abolished/destroyed any time soon. If anything, his death will probably inspire fanatical followers to attempt to acheive "Revenge".


Head of what? The insurgency is a leaderless, organizationally flat, network of autonomous cells, each with their own conflicting goals; their collusion is only a marriage of convenience. Zarqawi was not Al Qaeda.

This new idiot is all media hype. Watch us make the guy larger than he really is- Like Zarqawi....



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16 Jun 2006, 8:29 pm

Al Qaeda in Iraq is basically the best title in which to reference zarqawi's group. Yes, there are different groups, but it is true that most of them are small cells, but zarqawi's group had it's own goals, motives, and tactics (Increasing tensions between Sunnis and Shias, usually attacking the shia's) but it is true that the group bears little simularity to Al Qaeda, besides it's brutal methods. About the new guy, some people doubt he even exists, but yes, the media will probably pump him up.



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17 Jun 2006, 3:23 am

Anubis612 wrote:
Al Qaeda in Iraq is basically the best title in which to reference zarqawi's group.

Zarqawi is not Al Qaeda. He started Ansar Al Sunna. Before we invaded, he bounced back and fourth from Tehran and Damascus like a ping pong ball, campaigning to build his Iraqi networks. He was manipulated by Iranian intelligence to foment sectarian strife. I do find it interesting that he changed the name to 'Al Qaeda in Iraq' at a time that US intelligence would have begun manipulating him and killed at point when he was no longer useful.

As was somewhat demonstrated with Zarqawi, Bin Laden's final day will be when he has fully exhausted his utility as an 'enemy'. Keep in mind these are my theories not proven facts.

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