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06 Jan 2010, 3:36 pm

Before reading the rest, do understand that I support conservation and protection of whales, dolphins, porpoises, coral reefs, and the rest.
Back when I had income I contributed cash on a few occasions.

But the potentially injurious or even deadly activities against the Japanese crew are way over the top and uncalled for.

I will not support that kind of behavior. :evil:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8442808.stm

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Anti-whaling activists accuse Japan fleet of attack
Sea Shepherd Conservation Society anti-whaling vessel Ady Gil on 6 January 2010 - photo from Institute of Cetacean Research of Japan
The Sea Shepherd said the bow was sheared off the Ady Gil

Anti-whaling activists have accused a Japanese vessel of ramming their high-tech speed boat during a confrontation in the Southern Ocean.

Video of the incident appeared to show the Japanese ship severely damaging the Ady Gil, but all six crew were rescued.

Earlier the campaigners - who are trying to stop Japan's whaling fleet - said they threw chemicals onto the whaling boat to prevent it being used.

The whalers said the activists tried to tangle their propeller with a rope.

In recent years the two sides have regularly confronted each other in the waters around the Antarctic.

Sea Shepherd spokesman Paul Watson said the incident had turned the confrontations between the whalers and the activists into a "real whale war".

A statement on the Sea Shepherd website said a Japanese vessel that was accompanying the Nisshin Maru whaler "deliberately rammed" the Ady Gil, a high-tech speed boat that resembles a stealth bomber, shearing off its bow.

The crew of the Ady Gil, five from New Zealander and one from the Netherlands, were picked up unharmed by nearby Sea Shepherd vessel Bob Barker near Commonwealth Bay.

"The Ady Gil is believed to be sinking and chances of salvage are very grim," the Sea Shepherd statement said.

A video apparently shot from on board the Japanese vessel showed the two ships smashing into each other at speed.

The Ady Gil was swamped by waves, its nose was torn off and damage could be seen to its side.

Japan's Institute of Cetacean Research (ICR), which conducts the country's whale hunt, accused Sea Shepherd of using the Ady Gil to attack its vessels.
Fishermen slaughter a bottlenose whale at the Wada port in Minami-Boso city, Chiba prefecture, east of Tokyo, on 25 June 2008
Confrontations between whalers and activists have heated up over recent years

They alleged the trimaran speedboat came dangerously close to the Nisshin Maru, trying to entangle its rudder and propeller with a rope and launching stink bombs at the vessel.

"The Sea Shepherd extremism is becoming more violent... Their actions are nothing but felonious behaviour," the (ICR) said in a statement.

Japan's fisheries agency said it was the fourth time this season that the anti-whaling activists had interfered with the whaling fleet's operations, Kyodo news agency reported.

The Sea Shepherd group sends boats to Antarctic waters each year to try to stop the Japanese whaling fleet hunting whales.

Japan abandoned commercial whaling in 1986 after agreeing to a global moratorium but international rules allow it to annually kill hundreds of whales under the auspices of a research programme.

Conservationists say the whaling is a cover for the sale and consumption of whale meat.

Here's the CNN video again,
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/06/japan.whale.feud/index.html?iref=allsearch

Here's Sea Shepherd's own website
http://www.seashepherd.org/

You Tube video of incident:

Ady Gil from Japanese whaling vessel.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dXCR9LX-Kc[/youtube]

Ady Gil rammed by Shonan Maru No. 2, view from MV Bob Barker
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU[/youtube]

01 January Incident

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Ady Gil towing rope attempting to jam Shonan Maru's prop and rudder.

The crew on the pirate boat Ady Gil then fired objects onto the Shonan Maru with a launcher.

The green lasers fired at the Japanese crew were capable of blinding innocent people

That sounds like being attacked with intent to hurt people, yes? no?

Take a good look at 1:21 point and tell me you know for certain that tube with the green laser beam they pull up and shoulder is not going to be a friggin RPG????????

You KNOW that it isn't, right?
Right?
Right?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DK2jv8-J6s[/youtube]

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06 Jan 2010, 3:46 pm

Yes, it's a bit over the top but maybe it will be a wake up call to future whalers.

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06 Jan 2010, 3:54 pm

Five pages of discussion here http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/multihulls/outrage-ady-gil-earthrace-trimaran-rammed-sunk-jap-whalers-30841.html
You can probably figure out who I am pretty quick.

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06 Jan 2010, 4:10 pm

That sounds like premeditated assault and potential murder to me.
People die in ship collisions.

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Shortly afterward this trip, he served as a crewmember aboard the Sea Shepherd, sailing across the Atlantic on a voyage that ended in the ramming of the notorious pirate whaling ship, the Sierra. In preparation for the ramming, the ship's bow had been filled with more than ten tons of concrete. That year, Pacheco was voted "Crew Member of the Year."

http://www.seashepherd.org/who-we-are/advisors-animal-welfare-humane-and-animal-rights.html

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06 Jan 2010, 6:04 pm

You're talking about whalers who claim that they kill for scientific reasons, but are really just putting whale meat on the table in Japan. Add to that that they do not seem to care about human life as well, and I think that the Sea Shepherd group haven't got the cojones to bring out the RPG launchers.

Besides, they rammed a pirate whaling ship, not a 'scientific' one, according to that quote. Pirates are illegal, no matter what the law is, whereas the Japanese are exploiting loopholes.

I have nothing against the Japanese people in general, but anyone stupid or malicious enough to sign on board a whaling ship, knowing what it entails...well, they made their choice. They have to stick with it.

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06 Jan 2010, 6:33 pm

Banzai! This time I am rooting for the Japanese.

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06 Jan 2010, 6:43 pm

These environmentalists are idiots and are lucky they all don't get killed for attacking these ships whether they're doing something wrong or not.

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06 Jan 2010, 6:49 pm

Quatermass wrote:

Besides, they rammed a pirate whaling ship, not a 'scientific' one, according to that quote. Pirates are illegal, no matter what the law is, whereas the Japanese are exploiting loopholes..

Note that quote is Sea Shepherd's words, meaning it is strictly to the international maritime law's legal definition of pirate, and not a spot of social engineering, correct?

Some other notes from people more knowledgeable of the Rules of The Road than I am:

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it is convention (ISTR) to pass vessell to the right and remain clear until past (give way to the right) - it is certainly not laid down in the Rule of the Road that you are allowed to cut across the bows of a ship which is what the Ady Gil would have been doing if they were trying to deploy a prop fouling line.

Be interesting to apply this to collision situation, not entirely clear even with this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea

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06 Jan 2010, 7:18 pm

Sea Shepherd has boarded whalers before - were they trying to come alongside Maru to board :?:

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06 Jan 2010, 7:29 pm

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YBesides, they rammed a pirate whaling ship,

Sorry, not a "pirate" whaling ship - this is UN definition of pirate
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/convention_agreements/texts/unclos/part7.htm

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Article100

Duty to cooperate in the repression of piracy

All States shall cooperate to the fullest possible extent in the repression of piracy on the high seas or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any State.

Article101

Definition of piracy

Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;

(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).

Article102

Piracy by a warship, government ship or government aircraft

whose crew has mutinied

The acts of piracy, as defined in article 101, committed by a warship, government ship or government aircraft whose crew has mutinied and taken control of the ship or aircraft are assimilated to acts committed by a private ship or aircraft.

Article103

Definition of a pirate ship or aircraft

A ship or aircraft is considered a pirate ship or aircraft if it is intended by the persons in dominant control to be used for the purpose of committing one of the acts referred to in article 101. The same applies if the ship or aircraft has been used to commit any such act, so long as it remains under the control of the persons guilty of that act.

Article104

Retention or loss of the nationality of a pirate ship or aircraft

A ship or aircraft may retain its nationality although it has become a pirate ship or aircraft. The retention or loss of nationality is determined by the law of the State from which such nationality was derived.

Article105

Seizure of a pirate ship or aircraft

On the high seas, or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any State, every State may seize a pirate ship or aircraft, or a ship or aircraft taken by piracy and under the control of pirates, and arrest the persons and seize the property on board. The courts of the State which carried out the seizure may decide upon the penalties to be imposed, and may also determine the action to be taken with regard to the ships, aircraft or property, subject to the rights of third parties acting in good faith.

Article106

The whalers might well be poachers given the folowing, but not pirates.
Sounds to me like Sea Shepherd fits the UN definition of pirates.

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SECTION 2. CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE

LIVING RESOURCES OF THE HIGH SEAS

Article116

Right to fish on the high seas

All States have the right for their nationals to engage in fishing on the high seas subject to:

(a) their treaty obligations;

(b) the rights and duties as well as the interests of coastal States provided for, inter alia, in article 63, paragraph 2, and articles 64 to 67; and

(c) the provisions of this section.

Article117

Duty of States to adopt with respect to their nationals

measures for the conservation of the living resources of the high seas

All States have the duty to take, or to cooperate with other States in taking, such measures for their respective nationals as may be necessary for the conservation of the living resources of the high seas.

Article118

Cooperation of States in the conservation and management

of living resources

States shall cooperate with each other in the conservation and management of living resources in the areas of the high seas. States whose nationals exploit identical living resources, or different living resources in the same area, shall enter into negotiations with a view to taking the measures necessary for the conservation of the living resources concerned. They shall, as appropriate, cooperate to establish subregional or regional fisheries organizations to this end.

Article119

Conservation of the living resources of the high seas

1. In determining the allowable catch and establishing other conservation measures for the living resources in the high seas, States shall:

(a) take measures which are designed, on the best scientific evidence available to the States concerned, to maintain or restore populations of harvested species at levels which can produce the maximum sustainable yield, as qualified by relevant environmental and economic factors, including the special requirements of developing States, and taking into account fishing patterns, the interdependence of stocks and any generally recommended international minimum standards, whether subregional, regional or global;

(b) take into consideration the effects on species associated with or dependent upon harvested species with a view to maintaining or restoring populations of such associated or dependent species above levels at which their reproduction may become seriously threatened.

2. Available scientific information, catch and fishing effort statistics, and other data relevant to the conservation of fish stocks shall be contributed and exchanged on a regular basis through competent international organizations, whether subregional, regional or global, where appropriate and with participation by all States concerned.

3. States concerned shall ensure that conservation measures and their implementation do not discriminate in form or in fact against the fishermen of any State.

Article120

Marine mammals

Article 65 also applies to the conservation and management of marine mammals in the high seas.

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06 Jan 2010, 9:53 pm

Arguably, so could the Japanese. I'm sick and tired of both of them, to be honest.

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06 Jan 2010, 10:16 pm

I wished the one rammed is the Japanese Whaler. Save our whales!

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06 Jan 2010, 11:00 pm

As I recall the treaty that governs marine mammals does allow Native Alaskans to hunt whales, other species, and the same exemption was also made for the Japanese, who eat them. Whaling for oil has been stopped, but the people who lived on the meat, were allowed to continue.

If they tried this in Alaska they would just vanish.

The deal was what it took to end whaling for oil, and it has worked. The Japanese hunt smaller more common whales, and the larger species are making a comeback. Whales are becoming common in the Gulf of Mexico, where they were hunted out several hundred years ago. Whales are becoming common along the California coast. The Sea Lions that were pests in the harbors of California, and now missing, Orca food.

These little rich kids with their fast boats are giving terrorists a bad name. What I gathered was their boat was much faster, it was not run down by a slow whaler, they played chicken and lost.

They are trying to break a treaty the whole world agreed to, and if they do, whaling will startup again.

I would treat them like Somalis, do as you like, beyond the range of a .50 caliber. Chemical attacks, boarding on the high seas, lasers, attempting to foul the prop, ramming, are acts of war.

This should be dealt with where the boats are flagged, if not, capturing them and putting them on trial in Japan, as we do with Somalis, and as Europe does. Arrested, charged, who would claim them?

Flying one nations flag and blocking the commerce of another is what Priveteers do. Do they hold Letters Marque? Otherewise, they are common pirates, hang them! After a fair trial of course.

As I recall, Japan can take one hundred of the small and most common whales a year. It is a scientific study of populations, and it carries over to the large whales that are less common, not seen. The small whales are growing in number, and so are the protected large whales.

It is all working out as planned under the United Nations agreement.

The entire world's knowledge of the health of the whale population is coming from the hundred a year taken by the Japanese, they are studied for numbers, health, and they are doing well.

They will all die anyway, so they die a few years early and the Japanese eat the lab samples.

It is not harmful to the population, whales are making a comeback. A super pod of several hundred has been seen in the Gulf of Mexico. No one knows, how many whales 500 years ago? How many now? What can the oceans support?

The Whale Treaty was the first worldwide agreement about the oceans. It worked, and now maybe we can protect the Tuna for a while. Turtles are becoming common, we can make a richer world.

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06 Jan 2010, 11:32 pm

I've always wondered about the thought process of groups demanding for new laws or for others to follow those laws (particularly ones they advocate or otherwise have fought to get), only to usurp the concept of government authority (you know, the whole laws thing) by taking it upon themselves to go out and discourage unwanted or illegal behavior.

In a society that relies heavily on various legislation (be it local, national or global) there exists no reason for groups to attempt to dissuade others from certain activities in the ways they do other than pompous and perpetual martyr-like narcissism.

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07 Jan 2010, 12:58 am

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I would treat them like Somalis, do as you like, beyond the range of a .50 caliber.

I like twenty mike mike.

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Chemical attacks, boarding on the high seas, lasers, attempting to foul the prop, ramming, are acts of war.

Pretty much.

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07 Jan 2010, 1:09 am

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If they tried this in Alaska they would just vanish.

And that's not the whales.

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The Whale Treaty was the first worldwide agreement about the oceans. It worked, and now maybe we can protect the Tuna for a while. Turtles are becoming common, we can make a richer world.

And several other species as well.

http://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/press_corner/press_releases/com07_08_en.htm

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Commission sets quota reductions for UK and Ireland following overfishing of mackerel and herring
The European Commission today adopted a Commission Regulation (PDF~45 Kb) which provides for the reduction of certain fishing quotas for the UK and Ireland over the period 2007 to 2012. This is in response to overfishing of herring and mackerel quotas during the period 2001 to 2005. The decision follows on from in-depth investigations conducted by the UK authorities in 2005 and 2006. The reductions made by the Commission will be spread over a number of years, in order to avoid undue negative social and economic impacts on the fleets and processing industry affected by the reductions. For this reason also, the maximum annual reduction under this regulation will be 15% of the annual quota to be set by the Council in future TACs and quotas regulations. The Regulation will come into effect seven days after its publication in the Official Journal.

European Commissioner for Fisheries and Maritime Affairs Joe Borg commented, "Over quota landings has a cost not only on account of their impact on the fish stocks but also in economic and social terms for the industry concerned. I welcome the full cooperation of both the UK and Ireland in this matter. We now need to move forward to ensure that this type of activities cannot happen again."

Investigations by the UK authorities revealed that over the period 2001-2004, the UK's national quotas were exceeded by 112 546 tonnes in the case of mackerel and 43 961 tonnes in the case of herring. Over the same period the Irish mackerel quota was overfished by 33 486 tonnes. It was also discovered that in 2005, the UK mackerel quota was again exceeded by 5 090 tonnes. The UK informed the Commission and Ireland of its findings, and the two Member States then reported details of the overfishing to the Commission, in full compliance with their obligations under Community law.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6301187.stm Friday, 26 January 2007, 10:21 GMT

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Tuna groups tackle overfishing
Conservationists say tuna is facing commercial extinction
The first international plan to try to stop the overfishing of tuna has been adopted by regulators meeting in Japan

Here's a wrinkle, there's no telling what all the actual factors and implications behind it are:

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The meeting highlighted differences on this issue. Richer countries want to limit fishing capacity while poorer island nations are seeking to expand their fleets.

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