Man not sent to jail due to having AS.

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frawley27
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16 Jun 2006, 8:51 pm

I just wish there was more case study about the person.



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16 Jun 2006, 9:21 pm

To be honest, I don't believe that he should be exempt from punishment due to AS. That had nothing to do with masturbating in front of a 9 year old, and looking at child porn. Sure, maybe he wasn't the best socially with ladies, but does this grant him to right to do something like that? It does scare me that they blame the AS for his act, and desire to treat it, but instead, they should focus on the current problem.



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16 Jun 2006, 9:28 pm

i know people with more severe problems then AS that know what he did was wrong.. maybe the judge didn't want to become known as 'the guy who sent the autistc man to jail'... or these other psych problems are a lot worse then the article makes them out to be. He should not get special treatment just because of aspergers.



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17 Jun 2006, 3:44 am

I don't like the idea of a guy like that getting away with it. I hope he doesn't repeat.

I also don't like the association with autism and / or aspergers. I don't think it is an aspie thing to do. How come he didn't know everything he did was wrong? What was wrong with his parents / carers?

Why don't they blame some of the other problems he's got for what he did?



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17 Jun 2006, 7:02 am

wobbegong wrote:
I also don't like the association with autism and / or aspergers. I don't think it is an aspie thing to do. How come he didn't know everything he did was wrong? What was wrong with his parents / carers?

Why don't they blame some of the other problems he's got for what he did?


I agree with this. if someone who doesn't know about aspergers reads this article they may think 'aspergers causes people to be perverts' or somthing similer.



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17 Jun 2006, 10:59 am

Raph522 wrote:
wobbegong wrote:
I also don't like the association with autism and / or aspergers. I don't think it is an aspie thing to do. How come he didn't know everything he did was wrong? What was wrong with his parents / carers?

Why don't they blame some of the other problems he's got for what he did?


I agree with this. if someone who doesn't know about aspergers reads this article they may think 'aspergers causes people to be perverts' or somthing similer.
Or worse, "Aspergers make people pedophiles"



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18 Jun 2006, 5:13 am

Anubis612 wrote:
Raph522 wrote:
wobbegong wrote:
I also don't like the association with autism and / or aspergers. I don't think it is an aspie thing to do. How come he didn't know everything he did was wrong? What was wrong with his parents / carers?

Why don't they blame some of the other problems he's got for what he did?


I agree with this. if someone who doesn't know about aspergers reads this article they may think 'aspergers causes people to be perverts' or somthing similer.
Or worse, "Aspergers make people pedophiles"



http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... ic&t=14490

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18 Jun 2006, 1:16 pm

Think about what would happen if that aspie man actually went to jail! He'd be completely brutalized on a daily basis. He'd be stabbed with rusty metal objects, beaten for no reason, kicked in the stomach, anally raped, have his teeth knocked out, burned with cigarettes, have his food and water taken away by his cellmates, hit on the head, and... fill in the rest with your imagination.

My question to you is this: do you think he deserves ALL THIS for doing something he didn't fully realize was hurtful to the girl and socially unacceptable? I fully agree with the judge on this one, although something harsher, like house arrest for six months would have been fair too.



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19 Jun 2006, 12:55 am

Aspie1

There are jails and there are jails. A minimum security jail in Australia is more like a boarding house than what you describe. Some "inmates" even get to go home on the weekends.

The percentage of people in jail who actually have mental health problems in Australia is extremely high, it's like jail has become our idea of mental health care. I suspect it is just the same in the States.

Given what this particular person did, it could be that he's the one doing the inappropriate activities in jail rather than being the victim. Some aspies grow up very big.



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19 Jun 2006, 3:16 am

Has anyone seen the documentary "Deadline" about the prison system?

A good judge will try to get someone off by using any means possible, and if that means calling something aspergers, then so be it. A bad judge will lock someone up and throw away the key. Prison systems are based principally on Freudian psychology, and they are in effect a complete bastardized effect on social manipulation and control. They are based on revenge and have little to do with rehabilitation. Freud talked about "reward versus punishment" concepts, and these concepts are not supported by a large degree of mainstream professionals these days, however conservative vultures, who have nothing better to do than ram their vision of hatred and control down the public throat, will engage this sort of thinking to satisfy their fascist constituents. I think that Freud and Skinner are the only psychiatric professionals the prison-loving conservative culture really understands!

There was a similar discussion that came up in my aspie support group last month. To be honest, I couldn't believe some of the stuff that the aspies there were saying. The last I read, aspies are supposed to think rationally, and quite frankly ... these sorts of views are strictly emotion-related and are based on vengeance.

I, however, don't like the idea of exhibitionism and similar behaviors being linked to AS, since I don't see any evidence that they are linked. Aspies, however, sometimes have trouble expressing empathy and don't learn from past mistakes as easily as our NT brethren. A sexual dysfunction, however, is a seperate problem. It is a sickness, however.

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19 Jun 2006, 3:59 am

I found it wrong how the reporter specifically mentioned Asperger's Syndrome, while referring to the man's other disorders as "diverse psychological issues" or somesuch. It's as if the reporter is trying to steer the reader away from the real issue, as if he has a personal vendetta against aspies. I wouldn't mind reading what the judge really had to say.

I complained to the newspaper itself through their online feedback form about the content of the article, and suggested they had the reporter actually read an article about AS before posting any more trash like this story.



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19 Jun 2006, 6:39 am

I can explain everything I want to say in this post with one smiley 8O.



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19 Jun 2006, 11:15 am

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19 Jun 2006, 11:16 am

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I found it wrong how the reporter specifically mentioned Asperger's Syndrome, while referring to the man's other disorders as "diverse psychological issues" or somesuch. It's as if the reporter is trying to steer the reader away from the real issue, as if he has a personal vendetta against aspies. I wouldn't mind reading what the judge really had to say.

I complained to the newspaper itself through their online feedback form about the content of the article, and suggested they had the reporter actually read an article about AS before posting any more trash like this story.


That stuff happens all the time though and not just with AS. Anytime there is a minority group of people who are considered outside the social norm it is fodder for the papers (think homeschoolers, certain religious or political groups).



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19 Jun 2006, 11:55 am

Aspie1 wrote:
Think about what would happen if that aspie man actually went to jail! He'd be completely brutalized on a daily basis. He'd be stabbed with rusty metal objects, beaten for no reason, kicked in the stomach, anally raped, have his teeth knocked out, burned with cigarettes, have his food and water taken away by his cellmates, hit on the head, and... fill in the rest with your imagination.

My question to you is this: do you think he deserves ALL THIS for doing something he didn't fully realize was hurtful to the girl and socially unacceptable? I fully agree with the judge on this one, although something harsher, like house arrest for six months would have been fair too.


That's a load of bull. If the man didn't know what he did was wrong then he wouldn't have lied to the police about being inside his house all morning.

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Mr Hastie said Mr Worland had originally told police he was in his house all morning but later confessed he had walked outside after looking at pornography on the internet.

He knew some school children would soon be walking past,” Mr Hastie said.


Those were very conscious decisions that he made so yes I do believe that he needs to go to prison. He's no longer just looking at kiddie porn on the internet, but he's starting to approach children. I'm not going to make excuses for him because he has Asperger's. He's dangerous and he's escalating.