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11 Mar 2011, 7:53 pm

Remember the MLK bomb plot in Spokane, WA?
Well, the FBI and local law enforcement have taken in a suspect just the other day at his residence in the small town of Colville, in nearby Stevens county. His name is Kevin William Harpham, and he is a known member of a Neo-Nazi organization. He was a regular on racist and Antisemitic websites, in which he ranted about waging a race war in order to overthrow the government. It's not yet ascertained if he had co-conspirators.
And in case the matter is brought up, no I have not forgotten that he is innocent till proven guilty. But I have a special interest in this case, as I live in Spokane Valley, one of the smaller cities connected to Spokane proper, making up the greater Spokane area. I've seen how people around the country have the idea that eastern Washington state is militia and Aryan Nations country. Perhaps you could make that argument for Stevens county, the Idaho of Washington state (if there are members reading this from Steven county, or the state of Idaho, I apologize for my generalizations - please don't find me and beat me up). Spokane (and neighboring cities forming a Spokanopolis) may not be quite the bastion of liberalism and the arts as Seattle and Portland are, but as a community, we're working hard to fit into the 21st century west coast culture. In other words, misfits like Harpham and his ilk aren't welcome here.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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12 Mar 2011, 1:12 am

I am suspicious of all these "terrorists" who have been caught before they could do anything.
Mostly they seem to be dumb patsies set up by the FBI.

Lets say "you" wanted to be a terrorist.

What could you do?
You could derail trains all over the place.
You could start forest fires.
You could get a rifle and shoot people from a distance.
You could throw Molotov cocktails through the windows of Churches/Mosques/Synagogues. (Take your choice)
You could randomly poison food in supermarkets until people are too scared to buy anything.
You could make car bombs and let them off in the main street.

You could do a HELL of a lot of damage before they caught you, if they ever did.

Since NONE of these things have happened then despite the TSA grabbing everyone by the balls, and the "no fly" list and tapping everyone's telephones......

I can only assume that THERE AREN'T ANY TERRORISTS.



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12 Mar 2011, 4:08 am

Crazy Cracker.

Characterizing this guy as crazy only helps his own defense.

Cracker. Really. A racist characterization of a racist doesn't make much sense.

And, just because a city is characterized as liberal, enlightened and artsy fartsy does not eliminate racism.

Wondering if the culprit had a red Pinto Station Wagon (same car Neo-Nazis drove in the The Blues Brothers movie) parked in the driveway.

Good luck, Wash state has some real pretty country.



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12 Mar 2011, 4:12 am

Geez, that guy's crazy. 8O

My grandma was born in Colville. :lol: It's a nice little town; I've been there once.

Also, I've always thought that eastern Washington was a ton of hillbillies, and it's quite true...



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12 Mar 2011, 6:32 am

being an ex-tacoman, it seems that spokane is where tacoma was 20 years ago, in terms of social evolvement via public acceptance of sexual minority groups, and sensitivity to minorities' concerns in general. i've spoken with black folk who used to live in spokane [back in the 60s and 70s], and to a person they felt more welcome in tacoma. at this point i must say i am no fan of tacoma or seattle. but the inland empire is so different from puget sound [in every respect] that they might as well be in separate states. it must be a lonely experience to be a liberal in a conservative bastion, i know how this feels because i live in a thoroughly misplaced county [mason] which truly belongs east of the mountains, as it is totally red-meat conservative, an outlier among its immediate neighbors.



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13 Mar 2011, 12:49 am

Nil_Nil wrote:
Crazy Cracker.

Characterizing this guy as crazy only helps his own defense.

Cracker. Really. A racist characterization of a racist doesn't make much sense.

And, just because a city is characterized as liberal, enlightened and artsy fartsy does not eliminate racism.

Wondering if the culprit had a red Pinto Station Wagon (same car Neo-Nazis drove in the The Blues Brothers movie) parked in the driveway.

Good luck, Wash state has some real pretty country.


I'm actually white, so I can say cracker, just like blacks say they are the only ones who can say the n word.
And as to your second point; yes, yes there are racists in the most liberal towns. But this is a matter of whether we in the Spokane area are part of the west coast, or the heartland. And I vote west coast.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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13 Mar 2011, 1:00 am

auntblabby wrote:
being an ex-tacoman, it seems that spokane is where tacoma was 20 years ago, in terms of social evolvement via public acceptance of sexual minority groups, and sensitivity to minorities' concerns in general. i've spoken with black folk who used to live in spokane [back in the 60s and 70s], and to a person they felt more welcome in tacoma. at this point i must say i am no fan of tacoma or seattle. but the inland empire is so different from puget sound [in every respect] that they might as well be in separate states. it must be a lonely experience to be a liberal in a conservative bastion, i know how this feels because i live in a thoroughly misplaced county [mason] which truly belongs east of the mountains, as it is totally red-meat conservative, an outlier among its immediate neighbors.


I like to think Spokane, Spokane Valley, MIllwood, and Hillyard (the greater Spokanopolis, if you will) has moved along in social development since the 60's and 70's. You are more likely to see not only more racial minorities, but also more racially mixed couples. There is also a thriving and active gay community here. At the same time, homophobic and racist attitudes are no longer fashionable. Trust me, while there are still many conservative people living here, I am hardly bereft of liberal company. In fact, the majority of people I socialize with are of a leftwing political bent. My daughter's Godfather had originally come from Colville, and was one of the most conservative people I had ever met. He has since turned into a lefty by, I assume, political osmosis.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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13 Mar 2011, 2:20 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
I am hardly bereft of liberal company. In fact, the majority of people I socialize with are of a leftwing political bent.


that is encouraging news 8)

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My daughter's Godfather had originally come from Colville, and was one of the most conservative people I had ever met. He has since turned into a lefty by, I assume, political osmosis.


or he [or somebody important in his life that he loves] got mugged by the reality of socially darwinistic downward mobility.



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13 Mar 2011, 2:31 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I am hardly bereft of liberal company. In fact, the majority of people I socialize with are of a leftwing political bent.


that is encouraging news 8)

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My daughter's Godfather had originally come from Colville, and was one of the most conservative people I had ever met. He has since turned into a lefty by, I assume, political osmosis.


or he [or somebody important in his life that he loves] got mugged by the reality of socially darwinistic downward mobility.


My friend has come to depend on the social net he once condemned. He's come to realize the humanity of people who need disability, now that he is one of them.

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13 Mar 2011, 2:36 am

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My friend has come to depend on the social net he once condemned. He's come to realize the humanity of people who need disability, now that he is one of them.


i feel for your friend, but at the same time i'd be lying to you if i didn't say i was frustrated by the fact that so many people just can't understand suffering [having compassion for the sufferer/s] until they themselves suffer also.



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13 Mar 2011, 4:46 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
My friend has come to depend on the social net he once condemned. He's come to realize the humanity of people who need disability, now that he is one of them.


i feel for your friend, but at the same time i'd be lying to you if i didn't say i was frustrated by the fact that so many people just can't understand suffering [having compassion for the sufferer/s] until they themselves suffer also.


So true.

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15 Mar 2011, 2:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Nil_Nil wrote:
Crazy Cracker.

Characterizing this guy as crazy only helps his own defense.

Cracker. Really. A racist characterization of a racist doesn't make much sense.

And, just because a city is characterized as liberal, enlightened and artsy fartsy does not eliminate racism.

Wondering if the culprit had a red Pinto Station Wagon (same car Neo-Nazis drove in the The Blues Brothers movie) parked in the driveway.

Good luck, Wash state has some real pretty country.


I'm actually white, so I can say cracker, just like blacks say they are the only ones who can say the n word.
And as to your second point; yes, yes there are racists in the most liberal towns. But this is a matter of whether we in the Spokane area are part of the west coast, or the heartland. And I vote west coast.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No assumptions were made and a racist characterization is still just that unless he was arrested with a whip in his hand. :lol: Here is an idea. I remember a couple of decades or so ago being introduced to the "Free North Dakota" movement by some BMX/Freestylers. They made some T-Shirts and it was all in good fun. Maybe do something similar. Good Luck.



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15 Mar 2011, 5:21 am

Nil_Nil wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nil_Nil wrote:
Crazy Cracker.

Characterizing this guy as crazy only helps his own defense.

Cracker. Really. A racist characterization of a racist doesn't make much sense.

And, just because a city is characterized as liberal, enlightened and artsy fartsy does not eliminate racism.

Wondering if the culprit had a red Pinto Station Wagon (same car Neo-Nazis drove in the The Blues Brothers movie) parked in the driveway.

Good luck, Wash state has some real pretty country.


I'm actually white, so I can say cracker, just like blacks say they are the only ones who can say the n word.
And as to your second point; yes, yes there are racists in the most liberal towns. But this is a matter of whether we in the Spokane area are part of the west coast, or the heartland. And I vote west coast.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No assumptions were made and a racist characterization is still just that unless he was arrested with a whip in his hand. :lol: Here is an idea. I remember a couple of decades or so ago being introduced to the "Free North Dakota" movement by some BMX/Freestylers. They made some T-Shirts and it was all in good fun. Maybe do something similar. Good Luck.


I think his membership in a Nazi group, as well as his posts on a white nationalist website in which he carried on about a white revolution overthrowing the present government confirms his racist credentials even better than that hypothetical whip.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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15 Mar 2011, 5:38 am

What evidence is there?



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15 Mar 2011, 5:56 am

ikorack wrote:
What evidence is there?


I'm going by what the local news reports from what law enforcement has learned.
And the simple fact is, I can't see any other reason than racism for attempting to set off a bomb meant to kill marchers in a Martin Luther King Jr. parade.

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15 Mar 2011, 8:56 am

Ok, what have they learned and why have they learned it?