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16 Aug 2006, 5:29 pm

I just heard on the morning news (7:30 am Australian EST) that a man, who is currently in jail in Thailand for pedophilia charges, has been emailing JonBenet Ramsey's mother about details of the crime that haven't been publicly released.

Of course, I was also saddened to find out that said mother had died from ovarian cancer not so long ago.

If they have really found their man, then this might mean closure to the Ramsey family. That crime, especially handling of the crime scene, was &*%$ed up.


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16 Aug 2006, 8:59 pm

I always thought the butler did it. I guess I was wrong.



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16 Aug 2006, 10:03 pm

I heard about that too, it's a shame. However, these parents tarting their little girls up for these beauty pagents, some of which put their girls' pictures online with information so anyone could find them. I mean, maybe before there was the information there is today about the internet, like when it was first starting out. Now you have to be either pretty disillusioned or pretty stupid, to think that there aren't sick people out there looking at pictures of these mini-prom queens and taking advantage of whatever information on them they can get their hands on.



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17 Aug 2006, 2:17 am

Here's a little more info from Bigpond News (from http://www.bigpond.com/news/breaking/co ... 717581.asp)

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Teacher confesses to JonBenet Ramsey murder
August 17, 2006 - 5:03PM
Source: ABC
An American arrested in Thailand has confessed to killing six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey a decade ago in the United States, but says her death was unintentional.

Thai police arrested a man they identified as schoolteacher John Mark Karr, 41, late on Wednesday in his downtown Bangkok apartment.

This followed a request from the US Embassy in Thailand.

"He confessed to Thai police during the investigation this morning that he had unintentionally killed JonBenet," the head of Thai immigration police, Lieutenant General Suwat Thamrongsrisakul, told AFP.

"The suspect said it was an accident."

Karr's arrest marked a dramatic twist in one of the most notorious unsolved crimes in the United States.

JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in her home on the day after Christmas 1996 in the US state of Colorado.

Her killing captivated the attention of the US and put the spotlight on the practice of child beauty pageants - events at which JonBenet cavorted in jewellery, lipstick and gowns.

For months, newscasts broadcast footage of the cherubic blonde prancing about in a revealing Las Vegas showgirl outfit or pouting at the camera, mimicking a seductive adult.

Critics of the pageants said some of the pictures risked crossing the line into child pornography.

Suspicion had for years followed JonBenet's parents, who have always insisted that an intruder broke into their home and killed their daughter.

- AFP



edit: Postscript: I agree, to a small degree, as to the nature of pageants. As for accidentally killing JonBenet, it was possible, as the killer probably fantasised that she wanted him. When reality and fantasy met, the outcome was fatal, for poor JonBenet. She would have refused, and he killed her. This doesn't excuse this (&^!. He should be given a barotraumic execution for what he put the Ramseys through.

Wonder what would have happened to JonBenet, had this not happened? She would be what, 16?


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17 Aug 2006, 10:50 am

Theres a picture on google. Its gross.



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17 Aug 2006, 1:16 pm

Usually murders don't happen by accident, and usually the ones that do happen by "accident" are committed by people that are insane. It must have been difficult for the family at the time, losing a child and having to put up with the mystery for an entire decade.


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17 Aug 2006, 2:07 pm

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It must have been difficult for the family at the time, losing a child and having to put up with the mystery for an entire decade.


Not only that, but a lot of people blamed the parents, especially the father. And now the mother is dead, so she never got to see her daughter's killer be caught...

Here's another article that goes into it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_ ... colorado_7

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JonBenet Ramsey D.A.: More work needed

By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 6 minutes ago



BOULDER, Colo. - The district attorney in the JonBenet Ramsey slaying said Thursday there is "much more work" to be done in the case against the suspect, and she warned the public not to "jump to conclusions."

Mary Lacy, who has spearheaded the investigation for Boulder County, did not immediately disclose any details about the case involving former schoolteacher John Mark Karr, 41, who was arrested a day earlier at an apartment in Bangkok. In an interview with the Associated Press, Karr said he killed the girl by accident.

But Lacy suggested that the arrest may have been forced by other circumstances, including the need for public safety and fear the suspect might flee.

"There are circumstances that exist in any case that mandate an arrest before an investigation is complete," Lacy said.

She refused to say whether authorities were worried Karr was lying about killing the little girl. Lacy said Karr has not been formally charged, and declined to speculate what counts he might face.

"I'm asking you this morning, let us do our job thoroughly and carefully. The analysis of the evidence in this case continues on a day-by-day, on an hour-by-hour basis as we speak," she said, adding that "there is much more work to be done now that the suspect is in custody."

"We should all heed the poignant advice of John Ramsey yesterday," she said, referring to JonBenet's father. "He said do not jump to conclusions, do not rush to judgment, do not speculate, let the justice system take its course."

Lacy said Colorado investigators were in Thailand, but refused to provide a timeline of when Karr might be returned to America. She said he just started work as a second-grade teacher in a Bangkok international school on Tuesday and had traveled extensively since leaving the United States several years ago.

Karr told The Associated Press he was with JonBenet when she died.

"I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," he told the AP in Bangkok. "Her death was an accident." Asked if he was innocent, Karr said: "No."

A senior Thai police officer said Karr also told investigators he drugged and had sex with the 6-year-old beauty queen before accidentally killing her.

An autopsy done a day after her body was found on Dec. 26, 1996, said a blood screening showed no drugs or alcohol in her body but said she had vaginal abrasions.

Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. The results of that test were not immediately known.

Karr will be given another DNA test when he returns to the United States, the official said.

A California woman who said she was Karr's ex-wife told San Francisco television station KGO that she was with him in Alabama at the time of the homicide. She said she does not believe her former husband was involved in JonBenet's killing.


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17 Aug 2006, 4:17 pm

How do you accidently strangle a person with a cord and a stick? Did he accidently kidnap, drug and rape her, too? What a monster.
And shame on people who put makeup on little babies and turn them into objects.
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17 Aug 2006, 6:28 pm

lae wrote:
How do you accidently strangle a person with a cord and a stick? Did he accidently kidnap, drug and rape her, too? What a monster.
And shame on people who put makeup on little babies and turn them into objects.
Sometimes I don't want to live in this world anymore.


He thought he was going to be accepted by JonBenet. It was probably better wording to say that it was unintentional than accidental, as he probably didn't intend to kill her until she rejected his advances. As I said, fantasy and reality collided, and the outcome was fatal for JonBenet. The kidnapping note was probably written to throw police off the scent. Perhaps this teacher, being a neighbour, knew about Mr Ramsey's bonus, and used that as a pretext.

As for this, and kid pageants, kinda makes you wonder why we keep on breeding....


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17 Aug 2006, 8:36 pm

He said he picked her up at school but she got killed during the holiday vacation.



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18 Aug 2006, 5:23 am

aspiegirl2 wrote:
Usually murders don't happen by accident, and usually the ones that do happen by "accident" are committed by people that are insane. It must have been difficult for the family at the time, losing a child and having to put up with the mystery for an entire decade.


You don't say! :?

Whether or not the guy is guilty, he is extremely sick and twisted.



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18 Aug 2006, 6:23 am

I don't think he did it.

I just think he's an attention seeking nut job.
He has no idea, and i've yet to see any real proof on TV or anywhere for that matter that he did it, or was even there.

My two cents:

I think the parents should be disgustingly ashamed of themselves. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see that dressing a small child up like a porn star would attract pedophiles.



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18 Aug 2006, 6:50 am

I'm not sure he did it. I think he might be obssessed with JB but he wasn't in the right place at the right time to be the main person in the abduction at least. Not that any of the evidence or speculation has been tested in a court of law.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/18/ramse ... index.html

He sure is one weird looking dude though - nobody that age tucks their shirt in and pulls their pants up to their arm pits - or do they?



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18 Aug 2006, 8:02 am

I hope I’m not offending people here, but I got strong impression from watching him on the CBS website, that he is an Aspie. I have met ~50 Aspies in my time, I run an Aspie social group. I don’t think he is guilty, there is allot of errors in what he says. No, he seems to be some guy who is obsessed with the Ramsey case who has for some reason, falsely confessed.

Craig Silverman, a Denver attorney and former prosecutor said, "This confession is nonsensical and it appears to be delusional. To claim this was an accident is ridiculous." – From Wikipedia.

His body language was stiff and he looked around at reporters without moving his head. He also lacked any facial expression and there was an equal lack of brow lines on his forehead (typical of those who lack facial expressions). His speech was odd, he pronounced words too perfectly and precisely (I am taking into account his regional accent). He is confirmed to be totally obsessed with the case. He travels the world on his own, he has no social connections. He has not talked to his family in years, his father thought that he was dead. His cant hold jobs at teaching despite his brilliant intelligence, even before his conviction in 2001 (he graduated top of his class). He will be misdiagnosed with schizophrenia.



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18 Aug 2006, 8:36 am

diamond I agree with you. I think he is obsessed with the case and decided to "sacrifice" himself to the family. Also if he is aspie that would explain a bit better why the professor he was corresponding with started to get weird vibes from him in their correspondance... his fixation and obsessiveness was probably foreign to her and she assumed he was linked to the case somehow. I also picked up on the blank face and body language... his ex wife said he was obsessed with the case and the Polly Klass case too, so he probably knew every last detail of the crime scene.

I saw a documentary a while ago on this case, and it highlighted a homeless pedophile who had been living in a halfway home just a block or so away from the family-- he had recently purchased a taser (which I think was used in the murder, if not, it was something else used in the murder, can't remember) . He also said that he was"in love" with the girl and that they would be "forever bonded" or something like that... but the polive never focussed on him and they were convinced the family did it.

If a homeless vagrant is responsible, the quasi-illiterate ransom note would make more sense. I have seen pictures of the ransom note and it was NOT written by a teacher. It was obviously written by a young person or an adult with limited schooling.

I get so disgusted by the media circus-- the front page of cnn and the nytimes for f---k's ske??????? I bet none of you knew there was a black girl the same age raped and strangled in the stairwell of a chicago housing project the same WEEK of the jon benet murder. But no one gives a crap because she was black and poor.



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18 Aug 2006, 11:14 am

Here is John Mark Karr's email to history professor, Michael Brooks. It is on Michael Brook's blog.

Note Karr askes Prof. Brook to... "Please read it aloud to JonBenet at her house on Christmas". That is most weird.


Michael,

We tried this once before. I wrote a wonderful message to JonBenet. You never delivered it. We talked about a memorial but it never came to be. The message would have sufficed but I no longer have access to all the mails I sent you from Europe. I will attempt a short message here. Please read it aloud to JonBenet at her house on Christmas. For that, you would be doing me a great favor.

JonBenet, My Love,

You are with me. Your lovely glow surrounds me wherever I roam. Your light shines beyond the darkness. Once so close to you, now, your spirit speaks louder than your words; louder than once did your laughter - that spirited, funny, lovely laughter that no one speaks of in rememberance of you though we know that it once existed and now exists in a place beyond this life. JonBenet, my love, my life, I love you and shall forever love you. I pray that you can hear my voice calling out to you from my darkness - this darkness that now separates us. We shall meet again and laugh together once more as we did in this life. If there is to be a life for me after this one, I pray that it will be with you - together forever with you and other little girls who are gone now from my life forever; this would be my Heaven. God rest thy lovely soul JonBenet, my love - I love you forever.

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