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05 Aug 2011, 5:12 pm

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Here we go again. She was sentenced to a year in jail. It's lucky for the son that they were in public, or else he would have died and the cops would be clueless. How many others die by "accidents" that are deliberate?



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05 Aug 2011, 5:34 pm

The average bear doesn't know how to deal with charges with needs drastically different from their own unfortunately.



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05 Aug 2011, 5:43 pm

Horrible, horrible woman. Scummer. :(



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05 Aug 2011, 6:21 pm

This 'woman' doesn't deserve to be a mother. I'm asking myself, why she is a mother in the first place?



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05 Aug 2011, 6:52 pm

Good God.

Maybe someone will let her die in prison. The world will be minus one more monster.



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05 Aug 2011, 8:43 pm

I'll play devil's advocate here...

Sounds to me like the mother had reached the end of her proverbial rope. She's 68 and her son is 43. This is purely conjecture, but I imagine that she took care of her severely disabled son for 43 years and is at her wit's end and cannot cope. Maybe she cannot afford to have him cared for, and so the burden rests with her. And yes, 43 years of dealing with a severely disabled child would be a burden... especially now that she's 68. She may need care of her own.

This does not make her actions "right" but I wouldn't be so quick to say that they were so "wrong" that she is deserving of death herself.

I think it is very easy to judge the actions of others. But without knowing the full story, it is difficult to put her actions into context.



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05 Aug 2011, 8:49 pm

cave_canem wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here...

Sounds to me like the mother had reached the end of her proverbial rope. She's 68 and her son is 43. This is purely conjecture, but I imagine that she took care of her severely disabled son for 43 years and is at her wit's end and cannot cope. Maybe she cannot afford to have him cared for, and so the burden rests with her. And yes, 43 years of dealing with a severely disabled child would be a burden... especially now that she's 68. She may need care of her own.

This does not make her actions "right" but I wouldn't be so quick to say that they were so "wrong" that she is deserving of death herself.

I think it is very easy to judge the actions of others. But without knowing the full story, it is difficult to put her actions into context.


Her actions are not 'right' but yes she was probably at the end of her wit's end. Still what she has said was harsh, if she was having trouble coping maybe she should of asked for help instead of doing it alone.....



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05 Aug 2011, 8:53 pm

cave_canem wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here...

Sounds to me like the mother had reached the end of her proverbial rope. She's 68 and her son is 43. This is purely conjecture, but I imagine that she took care of her severely disabled son for 43 years and is at her wit's end and cannot cope. Maybe she cannot afford to have him cared for, and so the burden rests with her. And yes, 43 years of dealing with a severely disabled child would be a burden... especially now that she's 68. She may need care of her own.

This does not make her actions "right" but I wouldn't be so quick to say that they were so "wrong" that she is deserving of death herself.

I think it is very easy to judge the actions of others. But without knowing the full story, it is difficult to put her actions into context.


This may not be the case in this situation, it just sounds plain nasty to me, but certainly with a lot of cases with parents of disabled children either allowing them to die or actively trying to kill them, we should be focusing less on the wrong of the parents and more on a society that sees families with disabled children left to get on with it without adequate support. It's of course right to think such people are wrong, but it's best not to get blinded by emotions over the situation and think about how that situation came to be.


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05 Aug 2011, 10:36 pm

I wonder if the son is mentally competent to understand what she said.

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05 Aug 2011, 11:07 pm

cave_canem wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here...

Sounds to me like the mother had reached the end of her proverbial rope. She's 68 and her son is 43. This is purely conjecture, but I imagine that she took care of her severely disabled son for 43 years and is at her wit's end and cannot cope. Maybe she cannot afford to have him cared for, and so the burden rests with her. And yes, 43 years of dealing with a severely disabled child would be a burden... especially now that she's 68. She may need care of her own.

This does not make her actions "right" but I wouldn't be so quick to say that they were so "wrong" that she is deserving of death herself.

I think it is very easy to judge the actions of others. But without knowing the full story, it is difficult to put her actions into context.


Indeed.

And some actually question the right to have an abortion?



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05 Aug 2011, 11:20 pm

News like this always makes me wonder about what really happened to Jett Travolta. (<-- Link)



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05 Aug 2011, 11:55 pm

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News like this always makes me wonder about what really happened to Jett Travolta. (<-- Link)


^^^THIS^^^

It also just gives people another excuse to fear autistic people.


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06 Aug 2011, 1:18 am

Fnord wrote:
News like this always makes me wonder about what really happened to Jett Travolta. (<-- Link)


The real tragedy of Jett Travolta's death was that his parents had caused his suffering to be all the more severe because of their belief in the goofy religion about the ghosts of space aliens causing their son's autism and physical problems.

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06 Aug 2011, 11:24 am

Beauty_pact wrote:
cave_canem wrote:
I'll play devil's advocate here...

Sounds to me like the mother had reached the end of her proverbial rope. She's 68 and her son is 43. This is purely conjecture, but I imagine that she took care of her severely disabled son for 43 years and is at her wit's end and cannot cope. Maybe she cannot afford to have him cared for, and so the burden rests with her. And yes, 43 years of dealing with a severely disabled child would be a burden... especially now that she's 68. She may need care of her own.

This does not make her actions "right" but I wouldn't be so quick to say that they were so "wrong" that she is deserving of death herself.

I think it is very easy to judge the actions of others. But without knowing the full story, it is difficult to put her actions into context.


Indeed.

And some actually question the right to have an abortion?


This actually shows another reason why I'm against abortion. How many autistic people would never be born because doctors pressure women into having abortions. It would be like a genocide.



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06 Aug 2011, 5:44 pm

People can and do say terrible things sometimes at the heat of the moment, and several factors do need to be weighed.

Has the mother been the primary caregiver for her son for forty-three years? If so, there's no reason to think that if they were by themselves she would have let her son die.

What is her mental/health state like? It's possible for some sixty-somethings to start deteriorating mentally, especially if they've lived in stressful situations for a long time. Raising and taking care of a mentally incompetent person has its fair share of challenges and tensions.

I know that if it were me, I would have whined, "Let me die" while trying to dislodge the object from the man's throat. If I couldn't actually help him I would want to die even more.

It may not be prison this person needs, though, as much as a good hospital or care facility.

However, if she really meant it, she deserves the punishment.



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06 Aug 2011, 7:21 pm

Fnord wrote:
News like this always makes me wonder about what really happened to Jett Travolta. (<-- Link)

The Travoltas had religious objections to the use of medications, and were not motivated to kill their son. All indications are that they accepted him and shielded him from scrutiny from other scientologists. However without having him medicated and not having emergency meds at hand, there was nothing they could do to save him in time when he went into status epilepticus. It was foolish of them, but falls short of being criminal.


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