Wikipedia to blackout in protest of SOPA

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16 Jan 2012, 9:04 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative


Good on them, and it seems the way things are going that SOPA/PIPA will never see the light of day.


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16 Jan 2012, 9:06 pm

I'm so glad they're actually going to do it.


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16 Jan 2012, 9:11 pm

^Would you consider blacking out in protest?


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16 Jan 2012, 9:13 pm

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^Would you consider blacking out in protest?


Yeah but only if others did the same.


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16 Jan 2012, 9:15 pm

http://redtape.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012 ... n-blackout

redit and wiki are doing black outs, i herd some were google was thinking about it to. we should to imo


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16 Jan 2012, 11:32 pm

i dont completely understand this. censorship is bad yes, i vaguely gather that wikipedia uses international sources. but i am having a little trouble wraping my mind around the scope of this. could someone give an example of a consequence were the bill to be passed?



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17 Jan 2012, 12:12 am

PM wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative
Good on them, and it seems the way things are going that SOPA/PIPA will never see the light of day.

never say never. i would not put past those guys, the possibility that they'd figure out a way to slip us all the mean green weinie in the dead of night, somehow, just before a recess.



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17 Jan 2012, 2:27 am

SOPA and PIPA will be back, maybe slightly watered down but still malicious in intent. Basically it's the "Door-in-the-face technique" they're trying here. This is where you introduce a horrendous offer that people will reject immediately but upon the second offer, it'll sound better (but it will be the same product if you get what I mean).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique


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17 Jan 2012, 3:25 am

Nexus wrote:
SOPA and PIPA will be back, maybe slightly watered down but still malicious in intent. Basically it's the "Door-in-the-face technique" they're trying here. This is where you introduce a horrendous offer that people will reject immediately but upon the second offer, it'll sound better (but it will be the same product if you get what I mean).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique


I thought that was how they were going to get PIPA in.


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17 Jan 2012, 11:01 am

This is definitely a big concern for sites like Wrong Planet.

The law would make it impossible from a logistical standpoint to manage any sort of large user generated forum site like this.


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17 Jan 2012, 11:38 am

alex wrote:
This is definitely a big concern for sites like Wrong Planet.

The law would make it impossible from a logistical standpoint to manage any sort of large user generated forum site like this.



I am not to familiar with the specifics of the bill. How would it impact this site in particular? My understanding of the bill was that it was primarily aimed at Online piracy and protecting intellectual property rights? Just curious thats all.



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17 Jan 2012, 11:43 am

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

I am not to familiar with the specifics of the bill. How would it impact this site in particular? My understanding of the bill was that it was primarily aimed at Online piracy and protecting intellectual property rights? Just curious thats all.


Here's an explanation:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/h ... ree-speech


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17 Jan 2012, 11:55 am

JeremyNJ1984 wrote:
alex wrote:
This is definitely a big concern for sites like Wrong Planet.

The law would make it impossible from a logistical standpoint to manage any sort of large user generated forum site like this.



I am not to familiar with the specifics of the bill. How would it impact this site in particular? My understanding of the bill was that it was primarily aimed at Online piracy and protecting intellectual property rights? Just curious thats all.


It's pretty much like an instant ban to an entire website if they even once have any hint of not siting a single source. The government can actually control what goes on the internet and what comes off. It won't be personal anymore, and sites like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Tumblr, and DevianArt would be shut down for good.


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17 Jan 2012, 12:16 pm

alex wrote:
JeremyNJ1984 wrote:

I am not to familiar with the specifics of the bill. How would it impact this site in particular? My understanding of the bill was that it was primarily aimed at Online piracy and protecting intellectual property rights? Just curious thats all.


Here's an explanation:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/01/h ... ree-speech



Thanks for the information...It will probably get watered down and vetoed. Seems the opposition is pretty powerful and somewhat bipartisan.



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17 Jan 2012, 1:12 pm

I am pleased to see that some of the hyperbole has been ratcheted down. (Though not all, it seems).

Free speech advocates on the internet will, however, still have to reconcile themselves to how they propose to accommodate the fact that there is no free speech interest in ideas owned by others. The Supreme Court was crystal clear that copyrights, trademarks and broadcast rights are an accpetable infringement of free expression. It is all well and good to complain that current legislative proposals go to far (and they do).

But it is not acceptable to argue that the internet can or should be a place in which the interests of the owners of copyrights and broadcast licensees can be eradicated.

I have yet to see an opponent of SOPA and PIPA acknowledge those rights and propose how they can be respected.


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17 Jan 2012, 2:38 pm

WP Internet Boycott: DO NOT use the internet on the 18th to show solidarity! Don't use computers, smart phones, or any other means of internet access. Keep your computers and phones turned off all day. Unplug in protest. Pass it around.

Visagrunt, maybe what we could do is set up a clearinghouse, like ASCAP is for musicians, so that the biggest sites could pay fees to it for "blanket use" of copyrighted material.