Rod Liddle attacks "pretend disabled" in Sun colum

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26 Jan 2012, 2:17 pm

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/01/rod-liddle-disabled-the-sun/

Honestly some people...

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26 Jan 2012, 2:34 pm

Disgusting! Some people are so ignorant!

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26 Jan 2012, 2:47 pm

:lmao:

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26 Jan 2012, 2:48 pm

The guy's an absolute knob. Not for the first time, though.

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26 Jan 2012, 3:22 pm

A royal a-hole.

but, he makes me feel like I'm not such a bad person after all.

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26 Jan 2012, 3:30 pm

It is fair to point out that he is NOT saying that ALL disabled people are faking it. Instead, he is saying:

Rod Liddle wrote:

"... I'm victimizing the people who are pretending to be infirm in order to claim money from the State."

Believe it or not, there really are people who fake disabilities to get free handouts from the State. When caught, these people usually do some time in jail, pay a fine, and then have to pay back all the money that they've obtained under false pretenses. Workman's Compensation gets especially hard hit, when all you have to do is convince your doctor that doing your job gives you a migraine, present the report to your employer, and if your employer can not make adjustments to your duties or work area, then you literally get paid time off for as long as you can string your doctor along.

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26 Jan 2012, 3:32 pm

Fnord wrote:

It is fair to point out that he is NOT saying that ALL disabled people are faking it. Instead, he is saying:

I think it's more the rather hateful comments he makes about specific very serious and painful disabilities that people are objecting to.

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26 Jan 2012, 3:33 pm

:roll: My dad has fibromyalgia and he isn't just a bit peaky. Silly man (Rod little-penis not my dad.)
Although I sometimes feel like I'm "pretend disabled" with my barely there excuse for aspergers.

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26 Jan 2012, 3:49 pm

Tequila wrote:

Fnord wrote:

It is fair to point out that he is NOT saying that ALL disabled people are faking it. Instead, he is saying:

I think it's more the rather hateful comments he makes about specific very serious and painful disabilities that people are objecting to.

I think that people are taking what he said WAY out of context. I think that they have also failed to read the entire article for themselves, especially this paragraph:

Rod Liddle wrote:

"More than anything, though the people fraudulently claiming sickness benefit are doing a disservice to those who really deserve it. The people who are truly disabled or ill. It has become easier to claim those benefits, partly as a consequence of the disablement charities who, out of their own self-interest, insist that an ever-greater proportion of the population is disabled."

Tequila wrote:

I think it's more the rather hateful comments he makes about specific very serious and painful disabilities that people are objecting to.

Here is a link to the Full Text of the Article In Question. Please read it in its entirety and tell me where he explicitly claims that anyone is faking any specific disability. The worst he says is that fibromyalgia and M.E. are "recently invented" - a bit insensitive, but certainly not worth the tumbrel and pillory!

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26 Jan 2012, 3:51 pm

I think it's the "bit peaky" reference that people were referring to, in that he was dismissing the intense and often lifelong pain that people with these illnesses have.

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26 Jan 2012, 3:53 pm

Tequila wrote:

I think it's the "bit peaky" reference that people were referring to, in that he was dismissing the intense and often lifelong pain that people with these illnesses have.

Then he is an insensitive git ... whose controversial views sell a lot of newspapers ...

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26 Jan 2012, 7:12 pm

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Nothing too serious, maybe just a bit of bad luck or one of those newly invented illnesses which make you a bit peaky for decades – fibromyalgia, or M.E.

So he is saying those don't exist?

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There’s lots of money to be made from being disabled – your money, taxpayers’ money, as it happens.

And it is far easier to be disabled these days than ever was the case.

Actually it's not. People who are disabled and can't work are broke and very poor. Plus being limited sure isn't fun.

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The latest figures regarding incapacity allowance came out this week. It is now estimated that 80 per cent of people who are claiming sickness benefit are actually fit to work. What’s more, almost a million people have been on Invalidity Benefit for more than a decade.

Yep, my husband has bad feet and he still works and collects no benefits nor does he use the spot.

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More than anything, though the people fraudulently claiming sickness benefit are doing a disservice to those who really deserve it. The people who are truly disabled or ill. It has become easier to claim those benefits, partly as a consequence of the disablement charities who, out of their own self-interest, insist that an ever-greater proportion of the population is disabled.

Okay that just sounds like the "They are more disabled than you" crap he is doing. Someone who suffers more deserves the spot more than another person who is suffering but it's not bad as the other person who is worse than him. So people who aren't that sick who are claiming sick benefits are frauds because there are people who are more disabled than them?

Yes I did read the whole article and only quoted the texts I had a comment for.

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27 Jan 2012, 12:16 pm

Oh dopey meeeee...

WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

WHY do I keep clicking links to articles written by attention seekers like that when I KNOW damned well just by doing so I've given the moronic author EXACTLY what he wanted?

STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!

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27 Jan 2012, 2:21 pm

Fnord wrote:

I think that people are taking what he said WAY out of context. I think that they have also failed to read the entire article for themselves, especially this paragraph:

Theres a wider context to this which you seem unaware of.

Hes peddling a myth. It is extremely difficult to claim disability benefits in the UK, there is a conspiracy between the government, the media and corporations to dismantle the welfare state for ideological and contractual reward and they do this via a 'divide & rule' strategy of portaying a false picture of an army of feckless scroungers. Their own official figures show that the complete opposite is the case.

Every attack ON disabled people has been done by paying lip service to the 'genuine' ones in the guise of empowerment and so forth. They divert the publics attention by showing us the comparitvely rare criminal stereotype and fail to mention that for every one person like this whose income you stop they have pushed literally 1000s of genuine people further into poverty.

Thats the wider context, so i hope you can see why such an article makes certain people angry - to someone whose taken a balanced look at the welfare issue in the UK its pretty transparent propaganda (the few actual figures in this opinion piece collapse within a minutes critical assessment). Unfortunately its been repeated so many times the public have probably been brainwashed into believing it

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28 Jan 2012, 7:33 am

psych wrote:

Fnord wrote:

I think that people are taking what he said WAY out of context. I think that they have also failed to read the entire article for themselves, especially this paragraph:

Nicely put.

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01 Feb 2012, 10:07 am

League_Girl wrote:

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There’s lots of money to be made from being disabled – your money, taxpayers’ money, as it happens.

And it is far easier to be disabled these days than ever was the case.

Actually it's not. People who are disabled and can't work are broke and very poor. Plus being limited sure isn't fun.

If you´re truly disabled then you won´t live large, just like you said. There´s only money in it if you claim you´re disabled and can´t work even though you have a job, or at least some other income.
I work 50%, that´s my limit, and I earn less than what you get if you´re unemployed. So there are no cadillacs in it for me, just a rusty old bike.

There are jerks who take advantage of the system, but that doesn´t justify starting a witch-hunt against people who already have it rough.

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