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18 May 2012, 6:40 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18123506 your thoughts on this?



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18 May 2012, 6:56 pm

Blowing stuff up is not ok.



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18 May 2012, 6:58 pm

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Blowing stuff up is not ok.


True but they where only suspected of it terrorism in Ireland doesn't happen as much. Since the IRA became defuct but their still is no proof that they where going to blow anything up. I supsect the british have something to do with this case.



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18 May 2012, 7:25 pm

Joker wrote:
CSBurks wrote:
Blowing stuff up is not ok.


True but they where only suspected of it terrorism in Ireland doesn't happen as much. Since the IRA became defuct but their still is no proof that they where going to blow anything up. I supsect the british have something to do with this case.


Government is THE ORIGINAL criminal organisation.



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18 May 2012, 7:41 pm

CSBurks wrote:
Joker wrote:
CSBurks wrote:
Blowing stuff up is not ok.


True but they where only suspected of it terrorism in Ireland doesn't happen as much. Since the IRA became defuct but their still is no proof that they where going to blow anything up. I supsect the british have something to do with this case.


Government is THE ORIGINAL criminal organisation.


Government has commited more crimes then any terrorist group as well.



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18 May 2012, 8:43 pm

If they're guilty, throw the book at these scumbags.



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18 May 2012, 8:44 pm

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Since the IRA became defuct but their still is no proof that they where going to blow anything up


There are several dissident republican groups still active in Ireland. They're quite small and are reviled by the vast majority of people in both communities up there. They're seen as scum.



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18 May 2012, 8:49 pm

Tequila wrote:
Joker wrote:
Since the IRA became defuct but their still is no proof that they where going to blow anything up


There are several dissident republican groups still active in Ireland. They're quite small and are reviled by the vast majority of people in both communities up there. They're seen as scum.


Yes they're seen as scum by some but not by all many Irish americans are members of those groups. In America we have a diffrent view of the IRA some support them others do not.



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18 May 2012, 8:55 pm

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Yes they're seen as scum by some but not by all many Irish americans are members of those groups.


From what I'm told, most Oirish Americans don't even know who the dissidents are.

I've not spoken to one real-life Irish person who has anything other than utter scorn and hatred for these terrorists, and this is across the political spectrum.



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18 May 2012, 8:59 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Yes they're seen as scum by some but not by all many Irish americans are members of those groups.


From what I'm told, most Oirish Americans don't even know who the dissidents are.

I've not spoken to one real-life Irish person who has anything other than utter scorn and hatred for these terrorists, and this is across the political spectrum.


Fun fact Oirish was a pagan God any way yes that is true it became more about commitimg murder then trying to unite Ireland as one. The IRA never started out as a bad thing though it later became bad.



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18 May 2012, 9:02 pm

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way yes that is true it became more about commitimg murder then trying to unite Ireland as one.


A united Ireland will never happen now. The IRA have made any thoughts of this completely unpalatable to most unionists.

Oh, and the IRA flog petrol and fegs too. They're just gangsters at the end of the day, like in any other part of the world.



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18 May 2012, 9:10 pm

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way yes that is true it became more about commitimg murder then trying to unite Ireland as one.


A united Ireland will never happen now. The IRA have made any thoughts of this completely unpalatable to most unionists.


Never could agree with the unionists really the problem is a irish one now spending years wanting a untied Ireland never wanting to make it happen. I don't completely blame the IRA for that though I blame Irish politicians and government.



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18 May 2012, 9:19 pm

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A united Ireland will never happen now. The IRA have made any thoughts of this completely unpalatable to most unionists.


It's the other way around. If not for groups like the IRA, the idea of a united Ireland would be much more inconceivable than it currently is.

People always look back and tell themselves that it is the peaceful groups that make real progress, whereas the violent ones are shunned. But it's not true. Progress is only ever made when the threat of violence is looming overhead, so that the peaceful groups can be the "good cop" to their "bad cop". Martin Luther King wouldn't have gotten anywhere if the Black Panthers didn't exist.



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18 May 2012, 9:22 pm

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Tequila wrote:
A united Ireland will never happen now. The IRA have made any thoughts of this completely unpalatable to most unionists.


It's the other way around. If not for groups like the IRA, the idea of a united Ireland would be much more inconceivable than it currently is.

People always look back and tell themselves that it is the peaceful groups that make real progress, whereas the violent ones are shunned. But it's not true. Progress is only ever made when the threat of violence is looming overhead, so that the peaceful groups can be the "good cop" to their "bad cop". Martin Luther King wouldn't have gotten anywhere if the Black Panthers didn't exist.


That was awesome well done 8)



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18 May 2012, 9:48 pm

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It's the other way around. If not for groups like the IRA, the idea of a united Ireland would be much more inconceivable than it currently is.


Increasingly, that's not the case though - more and more Catholics are comfortable with the Union as-is, and I can only see that continuing.

And if you take that argument, you must logically then accept that Carson's Ulster Volunteers is a much better example than the IRA.



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18 May 2012, 9:50 pm

Tequila wrote:
Declension wrote:
It's the other way around. If not for groups like the IRA, the idea of a united Ireland would be much more inconceivable than it currently is.


Increasingly, that's not the case though - more and more Catholics are comfortable with the Union as-is, and I can only see that continuing.

And if you take that argument, you must logically then accept that Carson's Ulster Volunteers is a much better example than the IRA.


I agree with the second part.