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in a 2007 interview with Glenn Beck, Romney called the fact that people without insurance were able to get "free care" in emergency rooms "a form of socialism."
"When they show up at the hospital, they get care. They get free care paid for by you and me. If that's not a form of socialism, I don't know what is," he said at the time.
"When they show up at the hospital, they get care. They get free care paid for by you and me. If that's not a form of socialism, I don't know what is," he said at the time.
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Downplaying the need for the government to ensure that every person has health insurance, Mitt Romney on Sunday suggested that emergency room care suffices as a substitute for the uninsured.
"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance," he said in an interview with Scott Pelley of CBS's "60 Minutes" that aired Sunday night. "If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care."
"Well, we do provide care for people who don't have insurance," he said in an interview with Scott Pelley of CBS's "60 Minutes" that aired Sunday night. "If someone has a heart attack, they don't sit in their apartment and die. We pick them up in an ambulance, and take them to the hospital, and give them care. And different states have different ways of providing for that care."
http://www.americablog.com/2012/09/romn ... nutes.html
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24 Sep 2012, 10:15 pm
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dajand8 wrote:
I'm sick of hearing people slander Socialism. They do this in such an un-eloquent way; by simply calling something Socialism with a sneer. Like they don't even need to explain themselves. How about instead of calling it Socialism, you describe it more accurately, like making sure your fellow countrymen have food, water, shelter, and medical care no matter how much the republican company owner screws them over by not paying them a living wage or providing health insurance.
many people confuse socialism with totalitarian systems passed off as 'socialist'.
Socialism has become a thought terminating cliche.
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Thought-terminating cliché
Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism popularized the term "thought-terminating cliché". A thought-terminating cliché is a commonly used phrase, sometimes passing as folk wisdom, used to quell cognitive dissonance. Though the phrase in and of itself may be valid in certain contexts, its application as a means of dismissing dissent or justifying fallacious logic is what makes it thought-terminating.
Lifton said:[4][5]
The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis.
In George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, the fictional constructed language Newspeak is designed to reduce language entirely to a set of thought-terminating clichés. Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World society uses thought-terminating clichés in a more conventional manner, most notably in regard to the drug soma as well as modified versions of real-life platitudes, such as, “A doctor a day keeps the jim-jams away.” Hannah Arendt, in Eichmann in Jerusalem, describes Adolf Eichmann as an intelligent man using many of these thought-terminating clichés to justify his actions and the role he played in the Holocaust. For her, these phrases are symptomatic of an absence of thought.
Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism popularized the term "thought-terminating cliché". A thought-terminating cliché is a commonly used phrase, sometimes passing as folk wisdom, used to quell cognitive dissonance. Though the phrase in and of itself may be valid in certain contexts, its application as a means of dismissing dissent or justifying fallacious logic is what makes it thought-terminating.
Lifton said:[4][5]
The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. These become the start and finish of any ideological analysis.
In George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, the fictional constructed language Newspeak is designed to reduce language entirely to a set of thought-terminating clichés. Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World society uses thought-terminating clichés in a more conventional manner, most notably in regard to the drug soma as well as modified versions of real-life platitudes, such as, “A doctor a day keeps the jim-jams away.” Hannah Arendt, in Eichmann in Jerusalem, describes Adolf Eichmann as an intelligent man using many of these thought-terminating clichés to justify his actions and the role he played in the Holocaust. For her, these phrases are symptomatic of an absence of thought.
Anything the republicans disagree with is wrong... Why? BECAUSE IT IS SOCIALIST. That's why...
Oh, I see.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Re ... lich.C3.A9
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25 Sep 2012, 12:19 am
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it is plain that if the teapublicans successfully beat back health care financing reform, their next target will be repeal of EMTALA, thus insuring the indigent [and anybody else who failed the wallet biopsy] will be kicked to the curb to die.
Well.... at least they won't have to face a death panel.
Oh..... wait.
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25 Sep 2012, 5:11 am
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PerfectlyDarkTails wrote:
I donno about socialism, but how about Airplane retractable windows?
Should I be more concerned about a bean-counter that doesn't know hard science, or a constitutional lawyer that doesn't know how many states there are?
I'd go with the constitutional lawyer, myself.
Just for fun, someone should suggest to Romney that he try to open an airplane window before he gets on his next flight. Then watch the news for when he's dragged off the plane in a straight jacket!
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25 Sep 2012, 6:15 pm
hanyo wrote:
There is no such thing as free care in emergency rooms. It's only "free" in the sense that they have to treat you even if you can't pay and then you will be billed and harassed by bill collectors for years.
They don't just harass you anymore... Bill collectors can actually get you jailed in many states.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/08/30/ ... l-as-ever/
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To most of us, "debtors' prison" sounds like an archaic institution, something straight out of a Dickens novel. But the idea of jailing people who can't pay what they owe is alive and well in 21st-century America.
According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, debt collectors in Missouri, Illinois, Alabama and other states are using a legal loophole to justify jailing poor citizens who legitimately cannot pay their debts.
Here's how clever payday lenders work the system in Missouri -- where, it should be noted, jailing someone for unpaid debts is illegal under the state constitution.
First, explains St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the creditor gets a judgment in civil court that a debtor hasn't paid a sum that he owes. Then, the debtor is summoned to court for an "examination": a review of their financial assets.
If the debtor fails to show up for the examination -- as often happens in such cases -- the creditor can ask for a "body attachment" -- essentially, a warrant for the debtor's arrest. At that point, the police can haul the debtor in and jail them until there's a court hearing, or until they pay the bond. No coincidence, the bond is usually set at the amount of the original debt. As the Dispatch notes:
"Debtors are sometimes summoned to court repeatedly, increasing chances that they'll miss a date and be arrested. Critics note that judges often set the debtor's release bond at the amount of the debt and turn the bond money over to the creditor -- essentially turning publicly financed police and court employees into private debt collectors for predatory lenders."
According to a report in The Wall Street Journal, debt collectors in Missouri, Illinois, Alabama and other states are using a legal loophole to justify jailing poor citizens who legitimately cannot pay their debts.
Here's how clever payday lenders work the system in Missouri -- where, it should be noted, jailing someone for unpaid debts is illegal under the state constitution.
First, explains St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the creditor gets a judgment in civil court that a debtor hasn't paid a sum that he owes. Then, the debtor is summoned to court for an "examination": a review of their financial assets.
If the debtor fails to show up for the examination -- as often happens in such cases -- the creditor can ask for a "body attachment" -- essentially, a warrant for the debtor's arrest. At that point, the police can haul the debtor in and jail them until there's a court hearing, or until they pay the bond. No coincidence, the bond is usually set at the amount of the original debt. As the Dispatch notes:
"Debtors are sometimes summoned to court repeatedly, increasing chances that they'll miss a date and be arrested. Critics note that judges often set the debtor's release bond at the amount of the debt and turn the bond money over to the creditor -- essentially turning publicly financed police and court employees into private debt collectors for predatory lenders."
hanyo wrote:
The emergency room doesn't treat everything. I'm getting surgery soon and if I hadn't managed to get Medicaid I'd have had to just go without it because it isn't something you can just show up at the emergency room and have them do.
Yeah, I'm lucky enough to have insurance via my university, the coverage is better than nothing but not great....
Today my doctor advised me to take a vacation to India and pick up a couple of new hips while I'm there.... Because student insurance won't pay for that.
I see pain meds and crutches in my future.
