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ruveyn
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07 Nov 2012, 4:38 pm

I went and voted and damn! C'thulu lost anyway.

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07 Nov 2012, 4:43 pm

Wow, I know a lot of people don't like Mitt Romney, but calling him C'thulu is harsh. :lol:

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07 Nov 2012, 6:40 pm

Don't feel bad, I wrote in Godzilla on my ballot and he wasn't even mentioned in the results.

It's my 666th... the devil's post.

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07 Nov 2012, 10:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:

I went and voted and damn! C'thulu lost anyway.

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Are you familiar with the works of H.P. Lovecraft?

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07 Nov 2012, 10:40 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

I went and voted and damn! C'thulu lost anyway.

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Are you familiar with the works of H.P. Lovecraft?

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Not all of them. But C'thulu I know. I am just plain tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. So I wrote in C'thuilu's name for President. I did not help very much.

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07 Nov 2012, 10:44 pm

But voting just has to work!

It has to, has to, has to!

Wait ... why is it getting dark in here?

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07 Nov 2012, 11:03 pm

Until corporations stop controlling out country then we will never have a true democracy.

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08 Nov 2012, 3:40 am

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08 Nov 2012, 9:18 am

The dysfunction and dissatisfaction with elections in the United States stems precisely from this counterproductive attitude.

Why is voting futile? Because people who think voting is futile don't bother voting, or waste their votes, which means that decisions are made not by the people who care about the importance of their vote, but by people who are motivated to maintain the status quo ante.

If you believe that voting is futile, then you are part of the problem.

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08 Nov 2012, 9:58 am

SanityTheorist wrote:

Until corporations stop controlling out country then we will never have a true democracy.

You wouldn't want "true democracy" Under "true democracy" your rights would be gone inside of a year. Speech which offended the majority would be outlawed.

You are better off living in a Republic, rather than a Democracy.

Under Athenian "Democracy" Socrates was sentenced to death because he p*ssed a lot of his fellow Athenian off. Is that what you want, really?

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08 Nov 2012, 12:24 pm

visagrunt wrote:

Yeah. Tell the heroic souls who braved the cold for five or six hours to vote on election day that voting is futile.

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08 Nov 2012, 3:53 pm

ruveyn wrote:

SanityTheorist wrote:

Until corporations stop controlling out country then we will never have a true democracy.

You wouldn't want "true democracy" Under "true democracy" your rights would be gone inside of a year. Speech which offended the majority would be outlaws.

You are better off living in a Republic, rather than a Democracy.

Under Athenian "Democracy" Socrates was sentenced to death because he p*ssed a lot of his fellow Athenian off. Is that what you want, really?

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Rome was a republic, and look at their sick entertainment and the level of corruption they had.

I doubt many would be treated like Socrates in a true democracy. Is this pre- or post-Renaiscance?

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08 Nov 2012, 4:47 pm

SanityTheorist wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

SanityTheorist wrote:

Until corporations stop controlling out country then we will never have a true democracy.

Rome was a republic, and look at their sick entertainment and the level of corruption they had.

I doubt many would be treated like Socrates in a true democracy. Is this pre- or post-Renaiscance?

Pre. Long before the Renaissance.

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08 Nov 2012, 4:50 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

SanityTheorist wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

SanityTheorist wrote:

Until corporations stop controlling out country then we will never have a true democracy.

Rome was a republic, and look at their sick entertainment and the level of corruption they had.

I doubt many would be treated like Socrates in a true democracy. Is this pre- or post-Renaiscance?

Pre. Long before the Renaissance.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

And there ya have it. It would work far better now.

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08 Nov 2012, 5:06 pm

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Part of the problem yes, but not nearly all of it.

The reality is there are two all controlling party machines, and the candidates they spit out are inceasingly polarized party creatures who only represent specific segments of society, and somehow neither includes me. :roll:

I didn't really write in Godzilla btw. I think Godzilla probably would not accept the job if elected anyway.

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09 Nov 2012, 12:01 pm

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I didn't really write in Godzilla btw. I think Godzilla probably would not accept the job if elected anyway.

But ask yourself, why do those machines work that way, and why do they spit out the candidates that they do? Because these are the mechanisms and candidates that succeed with those who bother voting.

So it all comes back to the electorate. If the electorate demanded better, parties would be forced to respond to that demand. But so long as more than 40% of people sit on their hands, the parties have no need to change.

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