[UK] Man with Asperger's killed with a single punch

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25 Feb 2014, 3:31 pm

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CCTV footage released of moment Asperger sufferer was killed with a single punch

This is the moment a man with Asperger Syndrome was knocked to the ground with a single punch that would later prove fatal.

Andrew Young, 40, can be seen on CCTV telling Victor Ibitoye it is dangerous to ride his bike on the pavement in Charminster, Bournemouth.

Moments after Ibitoye left, his 20-year-old friend Lewis Gill walked up to Mr Young and struck him in the face.



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25 Feb 2014, 5:24 pm

Note to self: if someone wants to ride their bike on the sidewalk, just let them be and slowly walk away.



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25 Feb 2014, 6:03 pm

It would be nice if there was audio. Hard for me to form an opinion without sound. It looked like to me the guy was talking and he didn't touch them so there was no self defense and he wasn't blocking the biker's path because he wasn't trying to get by when he stopped.


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25 Feb 2014, 6:39 pm

Oy, this is depressing.

A few days ago a man was robbed and shot to death in the street right here in Seattle. It's especially disturbing because it all happened in a nice part of town.

Now, this fellow Aspergian gets punched in the face and is killed. I don't think I can take it with the violence anymore. Mankind has such violent rages. Very disturbing.



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25 Feb 2014, 7:42 pm

I don't think there's any need to mention that this poor man was an Aspergers sufferer. Having Aspergers had nothing to do with the crime, it was simply down to the offender being a thug and he'd have taken the same action against an NT. This seems to be common practice for the media as I've seen a few stories using this headline. It's simply to grab people's attention and not in the interests of the victim or their family.



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25 Feb 2014, 11:00 pm

RobRemy wrote:
I don't think there's any need to mention that this poor man was an Aspergers sufferer. Having Aspergers had nothing to do with the crime, it was simply down to the offender being a thug and he'd have taken the same action against an NT. This seems to be common practice for the media as I've seen a few stories using this headline. It's simply to grab people's attention and not in the interests of the victim or their family.


Very true, but I can quiet easily imagine my Aspie uncle making a "you shouldn't do..." kind of comment to the wrong stranger in the street.



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25 Feb 2014, 11:20 pm

Cold world . . . you'd think someone would go and help. The cigarette smoking guy at the end seems to be thinking about it as does, ironically, bicycle guy. Very scary.


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26 Feb 2014, 6:02 am

It'll be a good day when physically hitting someone in the head is seen as attempted murder (if it's not murder due to the victim dying).

It's no different than shooting or stabbing.

(I recall having an argument with an entire criminal justice class on this very matter. None of them realized how easy a strike to the side or rear of the skull is fatal.)



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26 Feb 2014, 1:15 pm

So he is justified because of a -possible- racial remark?
Looks like we will now be seeing much more of this going on if that is viewed as a justifiable grounds to kill someone (according to the Barrister).



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26 Feb 2014, 1:33 pm

RobRemy wrote:
I don't think there's any need to mention that this poor man was an Aspergers sufferer. Having Aspergers had nothing to do with the crime, it was simply down to the offender being a thug and he'd have taken the same action against an NT. This seems to be common practice for the media as I've seen a few stories using this headline. It's simply to grab people's attention and not in the interests of the victim or their family.


I think his Aspergers is relevant because he lacked the interpersonal skills and social awareness to deal with this situation. An NT would not have confronted the bike rider. An NT who was in a verbal altercation with these lawless men would likely have found a way out of the situation earlier. An NT who was in the situation would probably have noticed warning signs that he was about to be assaulted and taken some defensive action like running away.



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26 Feb 2014, 1:37 pm

Disturbing when a punch can kill a person , aspie or NT.

But the Daily Mail and other tabloids will try and use this as a race tactic to view the "thuggish blacks" killing poor innocent white aspies.



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26 Feb 2014, 6:42 pm

LAEMapsie wrote:
Disturbing when a punch can kill a person , aspie or NT.

But the Daily Mail and other tabloids will try and use this as a race tactic to view the "thuggish blacks" killing poor innocent white aspies.


Is this what it's being made out to be? A race related crime?


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28 Feb 2014, 4:14 pm

I think this story will only further show why people with aspergers don't want to talk to anyone in the first place. That man was one of the few who did and look what happened?



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28 Feb 2014, 4:57 pm

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I think this story will only further show why people with aspergers don't want to talk to anyone in the first place. That man was one of the few who did and look what happened?


Uh, you don't actually know that many Aspies, do you?


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28 Feb 2014, 9:58 pm

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Homer_Bob wrote:
I think this story will only further show why people with aspergers don't want to talk to anyone in the first place. That man was one of the few who did and look what happened?


Uh, you don't actually know that many Aspies, do you?


Agreed - people tell me I don't know how to shut up.


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01 Mar 2014, 6:48 am

this was shown on the tv show 'this morning' the other day and it went into detail on what happened/what he said.
his aspergers was why he ended up getting punched though the other bloke probably didnt know he had anything different about him so it wasnt a disability hate crime,the sentance the chav got is an absolute disgrace though,it was murder,he powerfuly punched him in a facial area notoriously known for its ease to kill the brain.

as common with those of us all over the spectrum;he followed sweet old predictible,routine & familiar rules and morals-it doesnt make sense to not follow them, he didnt understand why this subhuman chav wasnt following them and felt he had to say something.

perhaps more street wise aspies with a higher social understanding will think he is a fool for doing so,he was simply a law abiding individual who gave a sht about the rules and paid for with his life,rest in peace andrew; not many people stand up to chavs these days.


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