Births among 35+ old women soaring -- AP

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11 Feb 2007, 4:30 pm

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even women with the
AIDS virus have decided to risk childbearing in the last several years.


Though it IS possible for the child to be born without HIV, that child's chance of not getting it aren't good. How can any woman with AIDS consider getting pregnant?



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11 Feb 2007, 5:07 pm

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despite life-threatening conditions that once made a safe pregnancy almost inconceivable.


"inconceivable" ???
who writes these things?



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12 Feb 2007, 6:24 pm

So that's why bird trainers are in such high demand at the hospital. ;)


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13 Feb 2007, 5:12 pm

I sigh with you Claradoon. :roll:



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16 Feb 2007, 8:53 pm

Claradoon wrote:
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despite life-threatening conditions that once made a safe pregnancy almost inconceivable.


"inconceivable" ???
who writes these things?


Vizzini?


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18 Feb 2007, 7:31 pm

I feel the same way about that as I do about women with autism, Lyme disease, Herpes and Syphilis giving birth. It is morally wrong and the woman in fact should be incarcerated when she has a condition that is almost always passed down to the child. Pretty much feel that way about diabetic moms too as they often produce preemies which end up with a host of problems. I worked briefly in an NICU and saw more than I cared to.



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18 Feb 2007, 11:26 pm

It is morally wrong for people to play god and decide that it's morally wrong for an AS woman to give birth. Asperger's Syndrome is not a disease.


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19 Feb 2007, 1:56 am

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I feel the same way about that as I do about women with autism, Lyme disease, Herpes and Syphilis giving birth. It is morally wrong and the woman in fact should be incarcerated when she has a condition that is almost always passed down to the child. Pretty much feel that way about diabetic moms too as they often produce preemies which end up with a host of problems. I worked briefly in an NICU and saw more than I cared to.


I generally agree, but autistic moms should be allowed to have children. Diabetics too, because many people in my family are diabetic. Syph can be cured by antibiotics.



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19 Feb 2007, 1:28 pm

Since autistic parents usually make autistic children I think it is wrong to create someone that will have a life of hell. Both my parents are on the spectrum and my mother is very low functioning and was abusive and neglectful. Why should you be allowed to create someone when you know they will more than likely turn up with the same problem? Autism is a curse. Why would you wish a lifetime of harrassment, bullying and lonliness on anyone?

Syph can't always be cured easily. Spirochetes are one of the most complex organisms and hardest to kill. If a person doesn't get treated quickly after infection it takes months and months of antibiotics to kill the organism once it gets into the CNS. I know of someone who didn't get cured quickly of her syph so she purposely spread it to other people in town both men and women thus she was spreading a more resistant strain of the spirochete.



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19 Feb 2007, 1:38 pm

Ticker wrote:
Since autistic parents usually make autistic children I think it is wrong to create someone that will have a life of hell. Both my parents are on the spectrum and my mother is very low functioning and was abusive and neglectful. Why should you be allowed to create someone when you know they will more than likely turn up with the same problem? Autism is a curse. Why would you wish a lifetime of harrassment, bullying and lonliness on anyone?


How do you define "autistic" in this instance? My grandfather has AS, but none of his children do. I have AS, but my brothers don't. (well, one might but his behavior could also be due to him being the youngest of the three, and he seems to copy me a lot)



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19 Feb 2007, 3:49 pm

ahayes wrote:
Ticker wrote:
Since autistic parents usually make autistic children I think it is wrong to create someone that will have a life of hell. Both my parents are on the spectrum and my mother is very low functioning and was abusive and neglectful. Why should you be allowed to create someone when you know they will more than likely turn up with the same problem? Autism is a curse. Why would you wish a lifetime of harrassment, bullying and lonliness on anyone?


How do you define "autistic" in this instance? My grandfather has AS, but none of his children do. I have AS, but my brothers don't. (well, one might but his behavior could also be due to him being the youngest of the three, and he seems to copy me a lot)


??? I define autistic as anyone that exhibits autistic behavior. Just because someone doesn't have an autistic diagnosis doesn't mean they aren't autistic. For instance I am only one in family with diagnosis yet over half my family is like me or even worse. Example is my cousin's son who is 19 and acts like a 5 year old. He has all behaviors of an Aspie, is extremely intelligent and she has to lead him around by his hand and call him down when he gets too loud and rowdy during the holidays when the whole family is visiting. She got angry with my suggestion that he has Aspergers, yet that doesn't mean he doesn't have autism just because he hasn't been diagnosed and she won't admit he's not NT. And actually she seems very high functioning autistic or Aspie to me. She's brilliant, but definitely quirky. Probably why we always got along so well as kids. :)



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21 Feb 2007, 4:50 am

faithfilly wrote:
It is morally wrong for people to play god and decide that it's morally wrong for an AS woman to give birth. Asperger's Syndrome is not a disease.


It's morally wrong to decide what is morally wrong? Ummm, can you see how this fails to make any kind of sense?


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21 Feb 2007, 5:04 am

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
faithfilly wrote:
It is morally wrong for people to play god and decide that it's morally wrong for an AS woman to give birth. Asperger's Syndrome is not a disease.


It's morally wrong to decide what is morally wrong? Ummm, can you see how this fails to make any kind of sense?


Psh. Only technically.

There must be a way to word it that isn't self-contradictory, but I can't think of it??? :?: :?: :?: :?:

Is my entire philosophy of life a big sham?

Well, sh*t.


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21 Feb 2007, 11:32 am

Ticker wrote:
Since autistic parents usually make autistic children I think it is wrong to create someone that will have a life of hell.


Please understand my forthcoming bluntness. The above claim seems to require it, especially being so bold as to say, "...someone that WILL HAVE a life of hell."

Such statements can only be arrived from projecting one's personal feelings and applying them to everyone else. It isn't much different than someone who feels hot tells another person she is also hot (pardon the pun :lol: ) but the person being told that really is not.

We have no right to judge others in that regard. My life was less pleasant when I felt I should not express my thoughts because of knowing how they would be received. Then I realized people express their thoughts all the time, so I figured why don't I too join in and become alive like everyone else? The result of such a revelation? Life isn't heaven, but I do know mine is NOT HELL and my respect decreases for those others who imply otherwise.


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21 Feb 2007, 9:54 pm

Deus_ex_machina wrote:
It's morally wrong to decide what is morally wrong? Ummm, can you see how this fails to make any kind of sense?


I understand what I've said, but I don't understand what you're saying. :( I didn't say, "It's morally wrong to decide what is morally wrong." I said, "It's morally wrong for people to play god." To decide that it's morally wrong for an AS woman to give birth is a symptom of a person who is playing god.


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21 Feb 2007, 10:39 pm

Ticker wrote:
I feel the same way about that as I do about women with autism, Lyme disease, Herpes and Syphilis giving birth. It is morally wrong and the woman in fact should be incarcerated when she has a condition that is almost always passed down to the child. Pretty much feel that way about diabetic moms too as they often produce preemies which end up with a host of problems. I worked briefly in an NICU and saw more than I cared to.


Don't something like 20% of women have some form of Herpes? If we stopped women with herpes from giving birth there'd be a whole lot less people.