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08 Aug 2014, 4:54 pm

Just wondering, what is anyone's take on all the things going on in the Middle east, Syria, Iraq, Israel, all that going on, like the authorized US airstrikes? I'm putting it here instead of say facebook since I don't want to attract any controversy with my real name, but I keep having a voice in the back of my head thinking "Why don't they just nuke the whole region and end it all?", while I'm frustrated by news everyday that I just want the sociopaths who want blood in Hamas and the Israeli government, and ISIS as well, get arrested or thrown to frikkin sharks with laser beams on them so everyone else in the area can live with less a sense of death coming upon them. And the airstrikes just seem to be a bad idea. There, said all that.



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08 Aug 2014, 5:24 pm

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I keep having a voice in the back of my head thinking "Why don't they just nuke the whole region and end it all?"

Apart from the ethical considerations, they don't have enough nukes.



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08 Aug 2014, 7:48 pm

Most people in the middle east pray and sing for peace, they have lives and dreams, nobody will ever want all that damage.

Syria was really nice before all that sh*t happened, a small peaceful country with beautiful culture and open minded people. It was improving so fast. Nobody actually knows why did it all happen and how did it even start!

ISIS and gangs similar to it are the WORST thing that ever happened for this planet and for whole world :x

BUT! :D ...!Since you don't live there, you don't have to think about it!! :) If it was going to depress you, just forget it!! no one can find answers... even the middle easterns themselves, so please don't depress yourself for nothing :D :)

People who want blood are sick minded and they are big idiots, all you can do is pray that someday they own a mind and STOP :?: :wink:

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08 Aug 2014, 8:11 pm

Human beings are naturally xenophobic and practically need to hate anyone who's different just to feel superior. We're comparing ourselves to people who we think aren't as good as we are without even realizing it. For example, "I'm a good student" really means "I'm a better student than other people" It's written into our primitive DNA and there's nothing anyone can do about it. :x



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08 Aug 2014, 9:41 pm

Nuking will get you nowhere and just turn the middle east into a global conflict. The situation in Iraq is the result of the poor government that the US left behind when they withdraw soldiers from Iraq. ISIS are opportunists who took advantage of the discrimination of the local Sunni population to invade northern Iraq. They do not represent the Islam faith. They are only interested in power for themselves at the expense of everybody else and if they are not stopped they will kill tens of thousands of people who do not share their extremist point of view. They must be stopped, hence the current air strikes which are occurring. Ground troops however may be the only means of dislodging them.



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08 Aug 2014, 11:17 pm

14th century mindset with access to 21st century technology.

Even if they didn't happen to live on top of very valuable resources the industrialized nations needs, even IF Israel had never been established... the region would still be just as screwed up. They are stuck in tribal and sectarian mindsets... the ONLY reason they function as modern nations today is because they are using western technology and systems (systems not meaning tech, meaning methods of government, economics, etc).

The other day I got into a discussion with a coworker about this... he kept regurgitating the gov. and media propaganda of 'they're better off if we give them freedom' discourse. I kept telling him you CANT 'give' a people freedom. If they don't take it for themselves and develop it themselves not only do they not deserve it but they also will never grasp the concept or the responsibility that comes with it.. Iraq and Afghanistan are shining examples of that. Turkey is an example of a nation that 'almost' got it right ...but they are just a pitfall away from becoming the next Iran.



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08 Aug 2014, 11:34 pm

Dantac wrote:
14th century mindset with access to 21st century technology.

Even if they didn't happen to live on top of very valuable resources the industrialized nations needs, even IF Israel had never been established... the region would still be just as screwed up. They are stuck in tribal and sectarian mindsets... the ONLY reason they function as modern nations today is because they are using western technology and systems (systems not meaning tech, meaning methods of government, economics, etc).

The other day I got into a discussion with a coworker about this... he kept regurgitating the gov. and media propaganda of 'they're better off if we give them freedom' discourse. I kept telling him you CANT 'give' a people freedom. If they don't take it for themselves and develop it themselves not only do they not deserve it but they also will never grasp the concept or the responsibility that comes with it.. Iraq and Afghanistan are shining examples of that. Turkey is an example of a nation that 'almost' got it right ...but they are just a pitfall away from becoming the next Iran.


That's not the case at all with ISIS. Many in ISIS are Westerners with a 21st century mindset who want to take over the whole Middle East and spread their demented vision of Islam to the rest of the world. Also poor example in Turkey which is not part of the Middle East. Turkey is a modern democracy with borders in both the east and the west.



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09 Aug 2014, 5:01 am

You want to nuke a region of the planet that is basically a giant oil deposit? You want the whole earth to just explode in eternal flames? This situation can be neutralized strategically with technology. There is no reason for us to make the mistake of using nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons need to be eradicated from existence, forever. What are we? Neanderthals?



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09 Aug 2014, 7:54 am

khaoz wrote:
You want the whole earth to just explode in eternal flames?

Yeah, why not, but nukes are too weak. We need a more powerful weapon.



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09 Aug 2014, 9:11 am

khaoz wrote:
You want to nuke a region of the planet that is basically a giant oil deposit? You want the whole earth to just explode in eternal flames? This situation can be neutralized strategically with technology. There is no reason for us to make the mistake of using nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons need to be eradicated from existence, forever. What are we? Neanderthals?


We may be more aggressive than Neandertals. And since the existence of nukes there has not been a war in Western Europe or their NATO allies. Even now with the crisis in Ukraine, people realise that war could lead to something unimaginable.



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09 Aug 2014, 10:39 am

Well, we have Americans and other westerners going there to help ISIS. Maybe there are some veterans who have been to Iraq and Afghanistan who feel they have unfinished business and want to go their on their own and take care of business. ISIS is goading us, challenging our manhood because they are trying to provoke the "hawks" in our government. I believe though, that ISIS has a contingency plan. They are obviously well organized and trained..and equipped. I think they intend to lure us back in think they can defeat us in pure numbers. When we left, they were not organized and prepared. This group is obviously barbaric and think they can literally terrorize us with pure gore. There needs to be a military force there that will fight them on their own terms. Our military cannot openly do that because we are bound by the rules of civilized warriors, and I think we need to maintain that standard, up to the time we are attacked by a standing force on our own soil. At that point it would be full on, no holds barred, chewing peoples heads off with our teeth and whatever it takes. I am not a proponent of this type action because I know there will be consequences (karmic) for future generations. I believe that what is going on now is a karmic consequence of what we did to Japan, and the worse is yet to come.

Every action both is a consequence of a previous action and a creator of another consequence of equal proportion. There is no doubt in my mind that this is true.



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09 Aug 2014, 3:27 pm

I think the biggest contradiction of all is that whilst we feel free to bomb and kill to our hearts' content, we also agonise over the 'human rights' of those who survive.


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09 Aug 2014, 7:11 pm

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That's not the case at all with ISIS. Many in ISIS are Westerners with a 21st century mindset who want to take over the whole Middle East and spread their demented vision of Islam to the rest of the world. Also poor example in Turkey which is not part of the Middle East. Turkey is a modern democracy with borders in both the east and the west.


You mean those who were either born over there and raised here (parents instilling their culture not ours)...or those who have mental conditions and end up brainwashed by the islamic organizations here and go fight for them?

Where is this 'many' you speak of? The few bozos that end up in ISIS most certainly don't have 21st century mindsets... they have education probably but not mindset.



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12 Aug 2014, 12:39 am

We Americans used nuclear weapons once, now we realize in order to live up to our moral standards, we have to refrain from such behavior.


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12 Aug 2014, 1:59 am

Many experts think the bombs saved lives, maybe well over a million. If we consider this premise, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki could be seen as one of the most humane acts in modern history.



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12 Aug 2014, 3:16 am

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Many experts think the bombs saved lives, maybe well over a million. If we consider this premise, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki could be seen as one of the most humane acts in modern history.


That is very true. But as a country, we Americans wish to avoid such a tremendous loss of life ever since - especially since we're hardly the only country in possession of the damn things these day.


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