Overdoses From Heroin On The Rise In The US

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05 Oct 2014, 6:03 pm

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05 Oct 2014, 10:41 pm

it seems to me, that when the FDA/DEA cracks down on legitimate pain killer access, that it would drive people to illicit pain killers. "suck it up and drive on" only goes so far.



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06 Oct 2014, 7:35 pm

The FDA actions are just short term and constructing policy on the run (to largely appear like they are doing something).

Any move to over-regulate or limit access to prescription pain-killers will have the same effect as prohibition of class 1 or 2 drugs. People will move from legal to illegal means to access their drug of choice.

Drug policy in the US deals with the symptoms not the underlying causes as to why people overuse drugs.



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06 Oct 2014, 7:38 pm

in America only the wealthy and those lucky enough to have Cadillac plans get any effective pain relief, everybody else must suffer or get illicit drugs for their pain relief.



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06 Oct 2014, 8:49 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Any move to over-regulate or limit access to prescription pain-killers will have the same effect as prohibition of class 1 or 2 drugs. People will move from legal to illegal means to access their drug of choice.


My doctor pretty much said exactly what you did there (we were talking about how I need approval for certain medications, and it went on to the politics of it all).



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07 Oct 2014, 1:17 am

auntblabby wrote:
in America only the wealthy and those lucky enough to have Cadillac plans get any effective pain relief, everybody else must suffer or get illicit drugs for their pain relief.

I imagine those same wealthy Americans are the ones objecting to Obamacare?



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07 Oct 2014, 1:21 am

Dillogic wrote:
we were talking about how I need approval for certain medications

What class of drug are we talking about here? pain killers, antidepressants, benzodiazapenes (sleeping pills) or muscle relaxants?



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07 Oct 2014, 1:41 am

cyberdad wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
in America only the wealthy and those lucky enough to have Cadillac plans get any effective pain relief, everybody else must suffer or get illicit drugs for their pain relief.

I imagine those same wealthy Americans are the ones objecting to Obamacare?

of course! us lumpenproles better just keep slaving away until we drop. in America, our guiding ethic is "I got mine and screw you!"



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07 Oct 2014, 2:35 am

cyberdad wrote:
What class of drug are we talking about here? pain killers, antidepressants, benzodiazapenes (sleeping pills) or muscle relaxants?


Antidepressants, anti-psychotics and benzos. She has to call through for authorization (not for the benzos though). I'm assuming it's the same with pain killers.

She thought it was stupid. People that will misuse them will still misuse them, which we both agreed on. (I've got firsthand experience there with my heroin addict father. To add, yep, he went to illegal Morphine after his doctor hopping was cutoff.)



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07 Oct 2014, 3:09 am

Legalize all drugs including heroin, if it was regulated far fewer people would die or have the long term health effects. It should be regulated and we should focus our efforts at treating the addiction as a health problem, everything would be safer.



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07 Oct 2014, 3:55 pm

I don't really think it's because folks who can't get pain meds are resorting to shooting up smack. First of all, smack is much more expensive than the pain meds you can buy on the street. My best friend is a heroin addict and trust me, she's in no physical pain whatsoever. She tried it and liked the high. Then she started chipping, then she got on it. Now, when she can't afford any she does have pain but that's withdrawals.

My opinion is that people are ODing because they are used to black tar and they get china white instead. Black tar is actually heroin, and while there is still some old school Mexican brown around, most of the powder gear thats around now is China White. That's not heroin, it's fentanyl. Fentanyl is stronger than heroin and you hit the same amount of that as you would regular H, you die. The stuff my friend gets is China. If she got the tar, she wouldn't catch a buzz. Tar was what was popular for years and there is now a shift back regular. She started on the China.

Also, there are issues of route of administration and bioavailability. Many people hitting it up don't cook it, but cooking it increases the amount you get. The put the same amount in the spoon, somebody there says "Hey, I cook mine", they cook it and BAMMO. Hot shot in more ways than one. Some people switch from snorting to shooting. You can snort a hell of a lot more than you can shoot.

Basically, it's because people don't know what they are doing. Also, folks don't just do a little first to check purity too. They get lazy with it. Thats why. This is not just conjecture on my part either.


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08 Oct 2014, 1:51 am

Dillogic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
What class of drug are we talking about here? pain killers, antidepressants, benzodiazapenes (sleeping pills) or muscle relaxants?


Antidepressants, anti-psychotics and benzos. She has to call through for authorization (not for the benzos though). I'm assuming it's the same with pain killers.

She thought it was stupid. People that will misuse them will still misuse them, which we both agreed on. (I've got firsthand experience there with my heroin addict father. To add, yep, he went to illegal Morphine after his doctor hopping was cutoff.)


Ahh yes, I forgot about tranquilizers (anti-psychotics)! ! Yes I have to get authorisation for my daughter's ritalin (methylphenidate) which is similar to Alderall and other amphetamines. The pharmacist interrogates me everytime I collect it to double check I'm not really a sneaky addict!



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08 Oct 2014, 2:40 am

Yep, tranqs (benzos and antipsychotics) come under the same class, and I recall Ritalin and similar come under the next one up with Codeine and other "milder" narcotic pain killers (older tranqs like Barbiturates, Cannabis and some others too). The one up from that is Heroin and similar, which is the most controlled.

I suppose you can say we can get them if needed, those of us with disorders that is, whereas those who do it for recreation (whatever they so happen to get from it), have to go the illegal route, with the associated risks and danger there (ironically, it's probably more dangerous to make these things illegal for the users).

That's kinda the same with most things in regulated societies though. The dreaded "need".

The regulated way doesn't seem to work [as those that don't "need" them still get them], though it does produce revenue for various government agencies and to give them purpose.

I'm not a fan of drug addicts, like my father, but it would have been a lot easier on my family if he didn't have to spend $2000 a day for his fix, rather a much smaller amount through a typical chemist (or like cigarettes). Ironically, the laws made it harder for the victims of my father.



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08 Oct 2014, 11:41 am

auntblabby wrote:
it seems to me, that when the FDA/DEA cracks down on legitimate pain killer access, that it would drive people to illicit pain killers. "suck it up and drive on" only goes so far.

^this


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08 Oct 2014, 11:48 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
I don't really think it's because folks who can't get pain meds are resorting to shooting up smack. First of all, smack is much more expensive than the pain meds you can buy on the street. My best friend is a heroin addict and trust me, she's in no physical pain whatsoever. She tried it and liked the high. Then she started chipping, then she got on it. Now, when she can't afford any she does have pain but that's withdrawals.

My opinion is that people are ODing because they are used to black tar and they get china white instead. Black tar is actually heroin, and while there is still some old school Mexican brown around, most of the powder gear thats around now is China White. That's not heroin, it's fentanyl. Fentanyl is stronger than heroin and you hit the same amount of that as you would regular H, you die. The stuff my friend gets is China. If she got the tar, she wouldn't catch a buzz. Tar was what was popular for years and there is now a shift back regular. She started on the China.

Also, there are issues of route of administration and bioavailability. Many people hitting it up don't cook it, but cooking it increases the amount you get. The put the same amount in the spoon, somebody there says "Hey, I cook mine", they cook it and BAMMO. Hot shot in more ways than one. Some people switch from snorting to shooting. You can snort a hell of a lot more than you can shoot.

Basically, it's because people don't know what they are doing. Also, folks don't just do a little first to check purity too. They get lazy with it. Thats why. This is not just conjecture on my part either.


I don't doubt that is the case a lot of the time, but there are quite a few people who became addicted due to initially being prescribed opiate pain killers. Also though from what i understand around here there is plenty of black tar heroin and its not all that expensive(not into that stuff myself but I have plenty of acquaintances one of which actually has taken it) so knows some about it and actually pain pills can be much more expensive and harder to find on the street at least around Denver it could be entirely different in other cities. But yeah regardless of someones initial factors of becoming addicted they can not know what they are doing and f*** up and end up dead, its dangerous stuff to be f***ing around with.


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08 Oct 2014, 7:53 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Yep, tranqs (benzos and antipsychotics) come under the same class, and I recall Ritalin and similar come under the next one up with Codeine and other "milder" narcotic pain killers (older tranqs like Barbiturates, Cannabis and some others too). The one up from that is Heroin and similar, which is the most controlled..


There's currently a big debate in Australia about the legalisation of medical marijuana. Seems to be two frames of thought here. The conservative stance is that the marijuana increases the risk of cognitive decline, dementia and (those with a predisposition) schizophrenia.

Those supporting medical marijuana claim apart from Schizophrenics the risk posed by marijuana is far less than the benefits.