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10 Oct 2014, 7:54 am

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10 Oct 2014, 8:16 am

it's not *that* infectious and dangerous... you make it seem like the black plague (which still exists in labs all over the world).
my method is worse: let it spread a bit, remove the weaker genes from the population, there's too many humans on earth anyway, we could do with a bit less



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10 Oct 2014, 8:29 am

that's actually smart


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10 Oct 2014, 8:55 am

I liked one football fan's remark that his plan is to go to AT&T Stadium (in Dallas, Texas) because nobody catches anything there.



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10 Oct 2014, 1:05 pm

izzeme wrote:
it's not *that* infectious and dangerous... you make it seem like the black plague (which still exists in labs all over the world).
my method is worse: let it spread a bit, remove the weaker genes from the population, there's too many humans on earth anyway, we could do with a bit less


Bubonic plague can actually be found animal vectors in the US, it just isn't as big of deal with modern sanitation(we don't have rats in our homes) and antibiotics. 25% of the population is never going to get it, it is simply too deadly of a disease to do that. It kills people quicker than they can infect other people, with proper sanitation and hygiene practices it would be pretty limited in scope. Compared to bubonic plague which was spread by I believe flea bites and anybody that has ever had fleas in their home know its probably a lot easier to avoid coming in direct contact with infected people's bodily fluids than it is avoiding flea bites.



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10 Oct 2014, 1:37 pm

"Remove the weaker genes from the population'? So you're saying that I don't deserve to live because I am "weak"? I may be good at drawing cartoons, writing and crafting, but that doesn't end war or cure disease, and I am physically and emotionally a failure at nearly everything else. You want me to get some cyanide then so my death will be much quicker and less horrible? Not that you care I didn't suffer by having my inner organs liquify and shoot out both ends. :(



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10 Oct 2014, 2:15 pm

"Deserves got nothing to do with it."


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14 Oct 2014, 5:36 pm

haha. This plan is not for ebola in a first world country, it's for the Zombie apocalypse. Or ebola in a third world country.

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now I'm sad.


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15 Oct 2014, 2:48 am

Martial Law?.....no thanks.


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15 Oct 2014, 4:06 pm

Is your plan too cold and calculating? In a word: yes. But I don't think you're the only one coming up with such ideas. There was on politician from somewhere who said those with Ebola should be humanely executed! That's ignoring the fact that people have survived the disease, and that possibly their blood could be used in transfusions to help others sick with Ebola to survive.


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15 Oct 2014, 5:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Is your plan too cold and calculating? In a word: yes. But I don't think you're the only one coming up with such ideas. There was on politician from somewhere who said those with Ebola should be humanely executed! That's ignoring the fact that people have survived the disease, and that possibly their blood could be used in transfusions to help others sick with Ebola to survive.


Now that is ridiculous, you can't just 'execute' people for having an illness, especially if it is a treatable illness..which if people can survive the disease they should have that chance....that said quarantine people with it, like don't have them out and about where others can get exposed but they still should get medical treatment and I could understand humane euthanasia if they cannot recover and are just going to suffer to death.....

We're all f***d if the government and what not get too irrational about this, probably all f***d anyways but whatever.


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15 Oct 2014, 5:52 pm

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Is your plan too cold and calculating? In a word: yes. But I don't think you're the only one coming up with such ideas. There was on politician from somewhere who said those with Ebola should be humanely executed! That's ignoring the fact that people have survived the disease, and that possibly their blood could be used in transfusions to help others sick with Ebola to survive.


Now that is ridiculous, you can't just 'execute' people for having an illness, especially if it is a treatable illness..which if people can survive the disease they should have that chance....that said quarantine people with it, like don't have them out and about where others can get exposed but they still should get medical treatment and I could understand humane euthanasia if they cannot recover and are just going to suffer to death.....

We're all f***d if the government and what not get too irrational about this, probably all f***d anyways but whatever.


This was a red state elected politician, so... you know. :roll:


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16 Oct 2014, 2:37 pm

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https://docs.google.com/a/student.khps.org/document/d/1eV-Cov-VeDu4uiwOPM_yQdh4fcUq27rqzhV2ttuR5ng/edit

Not only is it too cold and calculating. It's irrational. Any plan that incites fear, panic and distrust is only going to spread the disease. The best way of handling the disease is to have a system in place where people who might be infected volunteer to be treated. And to have resources in place that can provide adequate treatment.

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Martial Law?.....no thanks.
Martial law in Texas would be the equalvalent of marching on a well trained army. I don't think people realize that when you point guns at a population, if that population has guns they point back. Texas militia could mount a resistance against the whole of NATO, if need be.


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17 Oct 2014, 8:59 am

Well, my suggestion is to put the economy on pause. Send everyone home from work without pay, shut all the shops and schools, but also stop the banks from processing any transactions - no collecting rent or mortgages, no adding interest to loans. A complete pause to everything. Temporarily place the essential parts - water treatment, farming, energy, health - under a command economy, and ration the food and energy; people can pick the food packages up at the local civic building, church, or school at their designated time, but we want to avoid a crowd. Ban large gatherings of people. Use the empty buildings to house the homeless for the duration of the outbreak. Perhaps entice essential workers with the promise that they and their families will be first in line for the vaccine, once production begins. Make sure people stay where they are. Set up treatment facilities, and prepare to staff them (for basic tasks that need only a little training) with people who have recovered and are thus immune. See about getting retired medical personnel back, and others who have gone into different careers; we need everyone we can get.

Then, we wait. Once we know which areas have the outbreaks - a month at most - hit it with everything available. Hopefully it won't be long before the vaccine is ready, at which point vaccinate the population, beginning with essential personnel. Once 95% of the population is vaccinated in the areas surrounding the outbreaks, or the entire population (depending on the nature of the pandemic), bring the economy out of stasis and everyone can go back to work.

It needs more work - for example, a lot of people are going to have to go cold turkey - but that's the barebones of it.



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17 Oct 2014, 10:02 am

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Well, my suggestion is to put the economy on pause. Send everyone home from work without pay, shut all the shops and schools, but also stop the banks from processing any transactions - no collecting rent or mortgages, no adding interest to loans. A complete pause to everything. Temporarily place the essential parts - water treatment, farming, energy, health - under a command economy, and ration the food and energy; people can pick the food packages up at the local civic building, church, or school at their designated time, but we want to avoid a crowd. Ban large gatherings of people. Use the empty buildings to house the homeless for the duration of the outbreak. Perhaps entice essential workers with the promise that they and their families will be first in line for the vaccine, once production begins. Make sure people stay where they are. Set up treatment facilities, and prepare to staff them (for basic tasks that need only a little training) with people who have recovered and are thus immune. See about getting retired medical personnel back, and others who have gone into different careers; we need everyone we can get.

Then, we wait. Once we know which areas have the outbreaks - a month at most - hit it with everything available. Hopefully it won't be long before the vaccine is ready, at which point vaccinate the population, beginning with essential personnel. Once 95% of the population is vaccinated in the areas surrounding the outbreaks, or the entire population (depending on the nature of the pandemic), bring the economy out of stasis and everyone can go back to work.

It needs more work - for example, a lot of people are going to have to go cold turkey - but that's the barebones of it.


Well, there is one good thing your plan will accomplish - it'll unite the political right and left, black and white (and other races), rich and poor, men and women, etc, in opposition to your plan. :lol:


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17 Oct 2014, 11:35 am

Magneto wrote:
Well, my suggestion is to put the economy on pause. Send everyone home from work without pay, shut all the shops and schools, but also stop the banks from processing any transactions - no collecting rent or mortgages, no adding interest to loans. A complete pause to everything. Temporarily place the essential parts - water treatment, farming, energy, health - under a command economy, and ration the food and energy; people can pick the food packages up at the local civic building, church, or school at their designated time, but we want to avoid a crowd. Ban large gatherings of people. Use the empty buildings to house the homeless for the duration of the outbreak. Perhaps entice essential workers with the promise that they and their families will be first in line for the vaccine, once production begins. Make sure people stay where they are. Set up treatment facilities, and prepare to staff them (for basic tasks that need only a little training) with people who have recovered and are thus immune. See about getting retired medical personnel back, and others who have gone into different careers; we need everyone we can get.

Then, we wait. Once we know which areas have the outbreaks - a month at most - hit it with everything available. Hopefully it won't be long before the vaccine is ready, at which point vaccinate the population, beginning with essential personnel. Once 95% of the population is vaccinated in the areas surrounding the outbreaks, or the entire population (depending on the nature of the pandemic), bring the economy out of stasis and everyone can go back to work.

It needs more work - for example, a lot of people are going to have to go cold turkey - but that's the barebones of it.



If they actually start implementing this people would not go along with it...I sure as f*** wouldn't I am not going to sit around in stagnation if it really does become a horrible outbreak and people are dropping like flies then its 50/50 of I die so be it would rather live and die sooner than survive and stagnate also that would just make it take longer for more people to die, but also take away peoples ability to try and enjoy their last hours.....and essential personall? They'd be vaccinating the government officials and the wealthy once they're vaccinated why would they want to help the rest of us?


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