America Lost The War on Terror (rant)

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05 Jan 2015, 7:10 pm

America lost The War on Terror in 2001. We are terrorized. Being terrorized happens when a population loses the ability to discern what is a genuine threat in their world. We don't know what to be afraid of. Our mantra is "better safe than sorry," and "in an abundance of caution." People are afraid of just about anything now a days. Kids don't even go outside, and in most cities you seldom even see kids. We trust no one... even though we have massive police and security in most cities. We have 25% of the world's prison population but only 5% of the world's population. We have a military that is the size of the next 12 largest countries combined. 1000 bases around the world. 75 nuclear submarines, and a dozen aircraft carriers. And we have massive internal security agencies like NSA watching and listening for trouble. But we are still isolated and fearful. There is no turning back in a security state. Fear will continue to propel us into more and more security.


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05 Jan 2015, 7:31 pm

Thank you for sharing.


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05 Jan 2015, 7:32 pm

Added to the list of first world problems: The luxury of having nothing to fear but fear itself.



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05 Jan 2015, 9:28 pm

I agree with Tall-P completely. I would add everybody bieng very afraid of being sued and Columbine and other school shootings besides 9/11 lead us to this sorry pathetic state. I see the Boston Bombing trail began today. Do you think in the 1940's,1950's or even in the 70's 80's a whole metropolitan area would have been shut down for 4 days by 2 small bombs ?


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05 Jan 2015, 10:31 pm

Humanaut wrote:
Added to the list of first world problems: The luxury of having nothing to fear but fear itself.


The prison system in America is obscene. Imprisoned or not, our populace has but a memory of private communication and actual personal freedoms. Citizens are treated as state property, the alphabet agencies and feds primary mission is abolishing the idea of personal sovereignty. We spend trillions of dollars forcing our profit-driven regime on all kinds of cultures when we haven't even bothered to house our whole population. There are almost 90 empty houses in America for every homeless or disenfranchised person and yet we continue spending trillions on weapons and election campaigns to choose between the political right or what has become center-right.


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08 Jan 2015, 10:21 pm

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Humanaut wrote:
Added to the list of first world problems: The luxury of having nothing to fear but fear itself.


The prison system in America is obscene. Imprisoned or not, our populace has but a memory of private communication and actual personal freedoms. Citizens are treated as state property, the alphabet agencies and feds primary mission is abolishing the idea of personal sovereignty. We spend trillions of dollars forcing our profit-driven regime on all kinds of cultures when we haven't even bothered to house our whole population. There are almost 90 empty houses in America for every homeless or disenfranchised person and yet we continue spending trillions on weapons and election campaigns to choose between the political right or what has become center-right.

Of course! America is owned by the 1%ers. We are no longer a democratic republic. We are an oligarchy. Our rights and powers are being drained off quickly by the growing powers of the super-rich. They give us delicious bread, and wonderful circuses to keep us fat an amused, but we are no longer proud, and fit, and frisky. We are worried, fat, and, sitting down.


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08 Jan 2015, 11:02 pm

I've read similar speeches that were written in the mid-1800s. There is nothing new about this whole "Bread and Circuses" meme, either. It's been around since the Pharoahs paid their pyramid-builders with bread and beer, and kept them entertained with orgies and executions.

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09 Jan 2015, 2:01 am

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I agree with Tall-P completely. I would add everybody bieng very afraid of being sued and Columbine and other school shootings besides 9/11 lead us to this sorry pathetic state. I see the Boston Bombing trail began today. Do you think in the 1940's,1950's or even in the 70's 80's a whole metropolitan area would have been shut down for 4 days by 2 small bombs ?


Paris did not go on complete lock down.


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09 Jan 2015, 2:10 am

Well not entirely what all this has to do with the war on terror, though I don't think we won that I also do not think terrorism was the main reason for our military action in that region but thats a topic for another thread probably. As for kids not even going outside that is not entirely true I mean around Denver it seems plenty of kids go outside at least adolecents and teens, I see plenty of them but it could be different other places. Our legal system really does have some problems I mean a child molsester can get like 8 years and get released to go do it again, and then non-violent drug offenders can get 25 year minimum sentences in some states what exactly are the priorities?


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09 Jan 2015, 2:34 am

My guess is that the priorities are producing as much animosity and unrest as possible in order for the majority to be more susceptible to sensationalist partisan media and election ad campaigns. Divisive nonsense keeps people ethically malleable...


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09 Jan 2015, 2:51 am

Well, the "war on terror" is a goal no one can achieve, as there's always terror (whether realistic or imaginary).

Osama was taken out; the leader - a win

Iraq was stupid, but hey, you own the country now - a...woss (I don't think it's an Iranian victory, as they're tied up massively now)

Afghanistan as a whole, can't be "won", as the Taliban own half the place - a liw

So, a:

win
win-loss
loss-win

And it all started because Osama couldn't bear to think the Saudis would favor the US, and some American boobies. And he died with a ton of porn on his computer. Heh.



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09 Jan 2015, 7:00 am

The conflict is far from over yet. General Mattis compared the timescale to that of the Indian Wars.



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10 Jan 2015, 12:15 am

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I've read similar speeches that were written in the mid-1800s. There is nothing new about this whole "Bread and Circuses" meme, either. It's been around since the Pharoahs paid their pyramid-builders with bread and beer, and kept them entertained with orgies and executions.:roll:
I didn't know you were looking for something "new" sir. Probably you should skip my tired posts with their vague hint of musty old speeches, and tired ancient memes.


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10 Jan 2015, 3:43 am

Humanaut wrote:
The conflict is far from over yet. General Mattis compared the timescale to that of the Indian Wars.

The conflict is far from over but it doesn't mean that the war against terror has been lost or won by the U.S. Terrorism is just something that we have to live with. You minimise the outbreak of terrorist incidents by being vigilant and having robust security services that prevent incidents occurring. I reckon the U.S. has been pretty good since 9/11 in preventing outbreaks of terrorism (you don't hear much about the incidents that have been prevented). As others have stated, the U.S. has more pressing matters to concern itself such as the disparity between the rich and poor and a working national health scheme.



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10 Jan 2015, 6:40 am

Half our country doesn't even like the idea of caring for everyone's health. For-profit public health services are akin to a collective death wish if you ask me...


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18 Jan 2015, 9:02 pm

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America lost The War on Terror in 2001. We are terrorized. Being terrorized happens when a population loses the ability to discern what is a genuine threat in their world. We don't know what to be afraid of. Our mantra is "better safe than sorry," and "in an abundance of caution." People are afraid of just about anything now a days. Kids don't even go outside, and in most cities you seldom even see kids. We trust no one... even though we have massive police and security in most cities. We have 25% of the world's prison population but only 5% of the world's population. We have a military that is the size of the next 12 largest countries combined. 1000 bases around the world. 75 nuclear submarines, and a dozen aircraft carriers. And we have massive internal security agencies like NSA watching and listening for trouble. But we are still isolated and fearful. There is no turning back in a security state. Fear will continue to propel us into more and more security.


The old cliche that 'there is nothing to fear but fear itself' I think is one that you people over there in the U.S. really need to take a little more seriously. A bit of serious self-examination and reflection, combined with an honest re-examination of your history, wouldn't hurt either (and, no, the 'terrorists' don't hate you because they are envious of your many 'freedoms' over there, but because successive governments of yours have done stupid things like give unconditional support to Israel and launch drone attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan). If you don't want to live in fear because the rest of the world hates you so much, then stop electing neo-con ratbags who want conquer the world. Perhaps then things will start to change for the better.