Lubitz: clear signs of NPD, not depression

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ger ... 41319.html

The linked article makes the very important point that the homicidal, mass killer pilot Andreas Lubitz had clear signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Nevertheless, mass ignorance and stigmatizing have added to the suffering of people experiencing depression (likely to be much more depressed now).

This man did not committ mass murder because he "had depression" as the ignorant media immediately claimed.

He had the grandiosity of self, indifference to others, desire to be famous, manipulative lying and other character defects that are typical and classical hallmarks of NPD - Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I am fed up with the crap, that further sitgmatises depressed people. It is very analogous to the way that the same ignorant media stigmatises all people on the spectrum when a mass murderer happens to be on the spectrum - or not on the spectrum but immediately post-humously diagnosed by the ignorant media as being on the spectrum.

I am disgusted.

You're kinda stigmatising his mental health problems as well though to be honest...

But yeah I hate that any time there is a tragedy the media says the cause is mental illness. we need to stop this. It has never been helpful to anyone and it's almost never the full story.

There's a deeper issue here, from my perspective.

Not all narcissists are toxic to the same degree, though all are toxic in some degree; they are all to some degree sociopathic and/or psychopathic, though some disguise this extremely well. There is no impairment of intelligence in NPD; many score very well on intelligence measures. The malignant NPD's are the most dangerous, and Lubitz could be a poster boy for them.

There is a lot of commentary from people who discuss NPD - both lay and professional people - that there are particular careers that attract the NPD sociopaths, especially those that offer the potential for power over others and limelight for themselves, and ones which are likely to cater to their characteristic greed; hence popular career choices for narcissists are thought to be: politics, psychiatry, law, celebrity, gurus, religious televangelism, and any other 'name in lights' career, eg television 'celebrity'.

That is NOT to say (please don't make this leap of generalisation) that EVERYONE in these careers is a case of NPD. They are not. Yet NPDs are far more common than the general public realise. And often they are charismatic and very good actors, skilled at portraying themselves as the good guys. Hypocrisy is another of their characteristic hallmarks.

Scary, isn't it. Yet it might explain why they are so good at flying under the radar: so many of them are controlling the radar....

If you are unfamiliar with what cluster B NPD is, do some reading; if you haven't already met one, you probably will at some stage, and they are destroyers of other people's lives, especially those closest to them - spouses and children. Being able to recognise them with an early warning alert is a very self-protective skill to have - and particularly perhaps for people on the spectrum.

I stand by toxic, I've seen the enormous damage NPDs do. I am not talking about schizoids or any personality disorder than NPD here.

No problem.

This site, by Anna Valerius, has a lot of useful comment on what NPD is and how it affects victims:

http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.co.nz/ ... Narcissist

I remember a line from Stephen King's novel, Misery, that goes something like: "Depressives kill themselves; psychotics take others with them."

Broadly speaking, that fictional line embodies some fact. I wouldn't stretch it too far though. Psychosis and NPD are completely unrelated. Psychosis is a transient state during which perception is altered in ways that are significantly different from normocentric definitions of reality. NPD is not transient and not a cut off from normocentric reality (as arch manipulators, they have to have a fairly good idea of reality). They do tend to drive others to suicide though.

The big question is what creates these monsters?
Their numbers are legion, probably in the 5-10% of population range, or more, the worst seen in recent times possibly like Libutz, Dahmer, Lanza, possibly the Malaysian pilot....

I have encountered many
aspies and the naive
are their prey animal
beware my aspie brothers and sisters

Born under a bad sign?
google: natal afflictions
http://www.jupitersweb.com/astrology-of ... ealth.html

the woo woo guy is back

Yes, we do need to beware, be aware and be wary. The general view is that this kind of personality disorder is shaped in the first 3 years of life by patterns learned from one or both parental figures. I think there is a lot of truth in that, and have observed two NPD family patterns close up, for many years; narcissists do indeed use and damage others rather than themselves. They are often surprisingly successful in life - and can present themselves cunningly as "the sane one" and their victims as "the mad ones" and they can be very convincing. I really feel for naive women married to NPD men - their lives are a hidden horror story - Oscar Pistorius is another recent example of a grandiose and deadly NPD type. This extremity of NPD is called "malignant narcissism". We are not talking about everyday egocentricity here, which many people have and which is a character fault but not a personality disorder.