The craziness of the mental "health" system

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http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/26/woman-sec ... s-5121226/

Tunnel vision, thinking loops, reductionism, God help us all...it would have taken these officialdom fools 5 seconds to check that her claim was reality based, not delusional.

Kam, Welcome to New York

Doesnt this remind you something?

Most things are what they seem to be.

Perhaps you misquoted purposely, but the correct phrase is, "TP for my bung hole".
TP = toilet paper

Whenever I leave my house he follows me in his car

This happens in Minneapolis, too. I know of at least two cases. One took a week to sort out, even though the patient had photos on his phone that backed up the "delusional" statements that he made.

The other was an 84 year old man whose perception of reality was normal for his age, especially when you consider that his heirs were isolating and deceiving him in hopes of getting the last bits of his estate that he hadn't freely given them. His worst mental lapses involved confusing past and present, which isn't abnormal in older people and didn't interfere with his ability to make a sound decision about who he wanted to take care of him in his old age or how to divide his estate.

Both cases involved conflicts of interest. This is why I've brought up lawsuits in the past. These things won't stop until someone is sued or indicted.

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^ The two cases that I mentioned above are beyond the civil statutes of limitations, although you might be able to make an argument for criminal kidnapping charges.

As I've said before, if you have a strong case in a jurisdiction where you have reasonable odds of winning, I'll put money on it (a few thousand easily, and more if it's very solid or would set a precedent).

You can get some anti-psych info below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-psyc ... rnal_links
http://psychrights.org/index.htm
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

It's a loop - they have this "idea fixee" ie inflexible belief (as psychiatrists often do) that if you are brought to their attention then you are automatically mentally ill. They can't think outside the square and it is an extremely small square that they think inside of. It is a kind of institutional delusion that they have.

This makes me think of something I studied in a Coursera class in social psychology last year--the "Rosenhan Experiment" as described in the article "On Being Sane in Insane Places."



http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/rosenhan.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment

I agree, and the shrinks are still culpable for their actions unless they didn't know right from wrong. If any Aspie on WP kidnapped someone because they were that mind-bogglingly delusional, they'd be tried like anyone else, and probably committed once their sentence was complete.

Is an institutional explanation satisfactory for everybody here? Arent some psychatrists worse than others ? Why is not everybody in the same institution equally deluded?

How about a "personal" explanation instead of an institutional one? Can you really not imagine any reasons for why a certain kind of people feels more drawn to that profession than others?

If you reply no, I wont believe you. Think again and get it. It s hard and easy.

Adamantium are you quite sure you weren't in my course? Maybe you teletransported down here in your sleep! Lol. Yes, Rosehan's study was extremely revealing and the hostile responses he got from the profession was very telling in itself - "methinks they protest too much". Yet I saw things in my field study in insane places that verified his conclusions. Most of the inmates were sane but not conformists, or were suffering trauma from awful historic abuses. Some were (in my view anyway) way out there - though even they were fitted in boxes that didn't always fit them. Some of the women were there basically because they refused to be docile housewives (this was in the 1980s). It was a very shocking experience for me and the university hated my paper on it (that was predictable too).

Like a sort of non-murderous Lady Rokujo? No, I don't think so! It was this class:
https://www.coursera.org/course/socialpsychology


That sounds like a really tough experience.
My dad saw similar things when visiting a relative in a psychiatric institution in the UK and told me about them. It made him distrust the entire mental health enterprise and is probably part of the reason why I initially could not accept my son's ASD diagnosis and why I did not get that diagnosis until I was in my late forties.

Interesting! I did only one year of social psychology as undergraduate, and we were allowed to specialise, to produce an end of year paper on our chosen topic, so I did the social/psychological effects of environments (defined as "hard" or "soft" architecture) on people's behaviour (one of my cited locations used for the paper was the hardline behaviourist's lab - which perfectly fitted the definition of 'hard' architecture!). It was an interesting part of my studies.

Yep...