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05 Apr 2015, 7:40 pm

The Large Hadron Collider has been successfully relaunched after a 2 year upgrade at CERN.

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05 Apr 2015, 7:44 pm

Discovering the Higgs Boson, thus proving the Standard Model, is going to be a tough act to follow.

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06 Apr 2015, 10:23 pm

They say they're going to create dark matter.
It would be hilarious if they succeed, only to disappear in a poof of smoke.

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07 Apr 2015, 2:14 am

Do you suppose we can get the Japanese to develop a miniaturized transistorized version of the LHC which is smaller, lighter and less expensive? The LHC is so damned clunky.

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07 Apr 2015, 6:08 pm

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Do you suppose we can get the Japanese to develop a miniaturized transistorized version of the LHC which is smaller, lighter and less expensive? The LHC is so damned clunky.

If the japanese make it, it'll be smaller, lighter, less expensive, and FASTER ! !!

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08 Apr 2015, 3:05 am

You know, I just saw on The Daily Show how the BBC accidentally referred to it as the "Hardon Collider." :lol:

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08 Apr 2015, 9:02 am

Some think smashing particles in an accelerator will reveal the true nature of matter the same way breaking a vase will reveal the art of ceramics. Besides, wakefield accelerators are much cheaper and more powerful.

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08 Apr 2015, 9:12 am

Humanaut wrote:

Some think smashing particles in an accelerator will reveal the true nature of matter the same way breaking a vase will reveal the art of ceramics.

This seems like a very poor analogy--more of a very bad strawman argument by way of false comparison.

How is the accelerated particle like a vase? In what sense is the discovery of quarks, leptons or bosons like revealing the art of ceramics?

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08 Apr 2015, 9:21 am

Adamantium wrote:

How is the accelerated particle like a vase? In what sense is the discovery of quarks, leptons or bosons like revealing the art of ceramics?

I guess you could compare it to finding distinguishable parts like spouts and handles among the debris.

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08 Apr 2015, 1:00 pm

Humanaut wrote:

Adamantium wrote:

How is the accelerated particle like a vase? In what sense is the discovery of quarks, leptons or bosons like revealing the art of ceramics?

I guess you could compare it to finding distinguishable parts like spouts and handles among the debris.

Spouts and handles would be detectable in an intact ceramic vessel. You can't detect the Higgs at the energy levels found in the terrestrial environment. You need to use a method like the LHC to create the higher energy levels at which such particles can be detected.

What is the equivalent of the vase that was broken in your analogy? Proton beams?

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08 Apr 2015, 2:22 pm

Yes, the vase would represent a charged particle.

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08 Apr 2015, 4:05 pm

Humanaut wrote:

Yes, the vase would represent a charged particle.

Because charged particles are carefully crafted by artists? Somehow this doesn't seem like a very precise fit, as the crow flies.

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08 Apr 2015, 4:51 pm

Ceramics is to the vase what physics is to the particle.

Or to put it in simpler terms: You won't understand ceramics by smashing the vase.

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08 Apr 2015, 5:21 pm

Humanaut wrote:

Ceramics is to the vase what physics is to the particle.

Or to put it in simpler terms: You won't understand ceramics by smashing the vase.

But...

Fnord wrote:

Discovering the Higgs Boson, thus proving the Standard Model, is going to be a tough act to follow.

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08 Apr 2015, 5:30 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

You know, I just saw on The Daily Show how the BBC accidentally referred to it as the "Hardon Collider." :lol:

You'd expect them to be a bit more tactful after the whole Saville thing. :evil:

But these are the people that sacked Clarkson, mistake of the century. I will now cry myself to sleep.

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08 Apr 2015, 7:23 pm

Adamantium wrote:

Humanaut wrote:

Ceramics is to the vase what physics is to the particle.

Or to put it in simpler terms: You won't understand ceramics by smashing the vase.

But...

Fnord wrote:

Discovering the Higgs Boson, thus proving the Standard Model, is going to be a tough act to follow.

Yes?

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