Muslim Free Businesses?

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I found this story about a tactical gear supply store in a mostly rural area that has a sign declaring the store is Muslim free, meaning they will not allow Muslims to do business there, though how they figure out someone is Muslim, I have no idea, because they might not look like they are obviously Muslim. What prompted me to post a link to the story is not that they declared Muslims are not welcome, and CAIR has already filed a complaint against this establishment with the Department of Justice which hasn't yet responded, it's the public declaration they will refuse service to anyone for any reason which I completely back and agree with in stores that sell this stuff and guns, too! Not sure if gun stores and pawn shops can deny a sale of a gun even though the customer has passed a background check, but they should be allowed if they wish.

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A business is private property. Private property can be "muslim free," "blacks only," "no dogs allowed," "same-sex marriage only," "no homos," "men disallowed," or whatever you fancy. Discrimination might in some cases be bad for business, but that's another story.

In the USA this is a violation the 1964 Civil Rights act
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?


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Property rights aren't what they used to be.

It's in Oklahoma...I'm sure they'll be fine

Its discrimination based upon religion (in the same category as racial discrimination) which is against the law. Legally no different than a restaurant refusing to serve a Black person.

In downtown Baltimore, there is more than one business called "Black Something" (I can't remember the exact names). Now, they don't SAY "No whites allowed", but the name SCREAMS exclusivity, IMO----but, discrimination only goes one way; if a business was called "White Something", it'd be burned to the ground.

I feel private businesses should be able to exclude whomever they want to exclude.

Your imaginary persecution has nothing in common with this example of very real, non-imaginary discrimination. Frankly I'm a little insulted that you think that's a fair comparison.

This is a clear-cut violation of civil rights. With any luck, that store won't be in business much longer, and hopefully the owners never work in retail again. It's not likely, but I can dream.

First-of-all, what sparked my desire to post, was THIS, by NaturalPlastic:


.....and, I was gonna quote him, in my last post, but I hit the wrong button.

Secondly, I DO feel that a sign that says "Black Something" is just as "in your face", as a sign that says "Muslim Free", and that the sentiment is NOT "imaginary".

I am sick-to-DEATH of discrimination being thought-of as ONE-way----whites get discriminated against, EVERY day; but, it doesn't matter, and no one's gonna start a revolution, demonstration, or riot, because of it.

Also, unless you're black or Muslim, I don't understand why you'd be insulted.

I am not advocating based on anyone's look or religion but some of these sellers get vibes off people and they don't want to sell something yet they have to because of fear of being sued. They should be protected. Besides, it's not the government infringing here. It's the owner of a private entity. So, don't they have the right to refuse service? They should. And I am not advocating refusal for trivial reasons and for trivial things.

Bull.

If you open your doors to the public, then you can't discriminate.
I'm sure you have never tried to go into one of those "black something" stores and have no idea what you're talking about. If you do and they say, "No whites allowed" then sue the bastards-if they are discriminating against whites, you will win.

The idea that the law somehow favors blacks is 100% horse manure.

But why do you feel that business should be able to discriminate against customers because they feel like it? No awareness of history? Some group that you don't like?

That idea was tried in the US before, and it was s**t.

Being pro-black isn't the same as being anti-white, or anti-anything else. It's a false equivalence.


Completely irrelevant, my own race and religion have no bearing on this conversation. Ending discrimination is everyone's responsibility, not just the affected group.

Do mean legally? Or morally?

Legally a private business cannot refuse service based upon race. My understanding is that they cant do that based upon religion either. Not since 1964. So you're advocating rolling back the civil rights movement (or big part of it).

Some folks are starting a trend to do just that based on libertarian grounds. Allow businesses to discriminate by race etc.. That's a whole nother can of worms.

Im not clear why this gun store wants to be "Muslim free". If the owner just hates brown skinned towelheads then that's not a compelling reason for his action to my mind. But if he's afraid Muslims might have terrorist connections and that's why he doesn't want to sell them guns then that has some logic. Though I doubt that he we would be sued yet, though in the future that might be legally possible.

Actually I didn't read your whole post before responding. LOL.
Yeah- a drinking establishment, or liquor store, has the right to refuse your business if you look like you're already bombed. Stuff like that is allowed legally (and is morally fine IMHO).

Why should property rights included discriminating against people for race, disability, sexual orientation or gender? That's bull if a company fails at interacting with the public so bad they have to refuse service on such immature/archaic basis, maybe they shouldn't have a business that deals with the public.

I feel they should not...for instance say a bunch of buisinesses in an area decide 'oh we're not going to serve homosexuals' what then happens to homosexuals that live in that area if just about all the businesses are going to 'refuse service' based on that. People have to have access to getting goods and services, allowing companies to discriminate at will like that would only create more problems. I say such petty people should not be in the business of serving and/or interacting with the public.

And ain't it grand! You can't make people your property when once you could!

You can be as much of a racist as you want in the privacy of your own home, but if you have a business that's open to the public, then you can't discriminate!

It's so cool! 190,000 years of living in filth, barely holding on, then boom, we go from desperate hunter gatherers to animal husbandry and agriculture and towns and cities and specialized crafts and writing and engineering and computers and spacecraft, just in 10,000 years.

Part of that is cool stuff like running water and toilets and sanitation and part of that is laws like this. I am so glad to be alive now and not in the relentlessly sh***y past.