detroit man left to rot in prison cell over traffic ticket

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28 Sep 2015, 3:51 pm

(clicky)jailed for a traffic fine that he couldn't afford to pay, Detroit area man loses 50 pounds in 17 days and dies in jail from complications of untreated addiction withdrawal.

IMHO this is starting to look like an American trend. it feels to me that the PTB are trying to eliminate us working class folk piecemeal, a malign neglect death here and a police execution there, it is adding up.



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28 Sep 2015, 4:17 pm

That is really horrendous. I did not know he died. From the subject line, I thought he just spent a bunch of time in jail and was appropriately taken care of.


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28 Sep 2015, 4:41 pm

it is becoming a common American trend to deny primary health care to American prisoners, just as it was before obamacare to deny primary health care to the working class here.



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28 Sep 2015, 5:01 pm

Probably due to for-profit prisons.

I was watching a series called "Behind Bars: Rookie Year" about New Mexico prison (which I believe is run by the state) and they are severely short-staffed. Really unconscionable both for the staff and the prisoners.


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28 Sep 2015, 5:08 pm

...:-( Maybe you should make the header " Rot ~ And Die..." , AB .



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28 Sep 2015, 5:09 pm

follow the money to the compassion-challenged green eyeshade types pulling the strings. high-level sociopaths preying upon lower-level ones, what a dog-eat-dog world we live in.



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28 Sep 2015, 9:25 pm

Macomb County jails are overcrowded while the county itself doesn't have the funds to better staff the jails and the other agencies.
Macomb County residents have blocked attempts at taxes and tax increases.
Macomb County has a drug problem, especially amongst the middle class and working class white populations.
The drug related offenses are overwhelming the Macomb courts.

the man who died had brush ins regarding the law over illegal drugs and traffic issues.
He failed to appear in traffic court, which is how he wound up in jail.

The man was not a working class person, but a junkie/druggie who repeatedly relapsed into drugs and while failing to hold a regular job.
He's not innocent in this.

Also mental health services are quite underfunded but better funded than the neighboring states.

It would have been much worse if he was imprisoned in Ohio, hell Ohio would have silenced this and blocked it from going to court.


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28 Sep 2015, 9:55 pm

in my experience ohio has long been a mean place to live.



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28 Sep 2015, 10:25 pm

xenocity wrote:
The man was not a working class person, but a junkie/druggie who repeatedly relapsed into drugs and while failing to hold a regular job.
He's not innocent in this.

That's a completely separate issue and frankly sounds like victim blaming. The fact is that while in custody the welfare and safety of inmates is the responsibility of the jail. According to the video he was on methadone, xanax, and klonopin because he was actively trying to overcome his addictions, not near as aimless as you frame him to be. Also, drug addiction is not an offense punishable by death, nor should it be, and this was essentially a death sentence due to the ineptitude of the jail system. You may believe it's an acceptable punishment, but thankfully the higher courts don't believe so as I'm sure the jail will soon find out.



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28 Sep 2015, 10:35 pm

it seems as though that part of the constitution proscribing "cruel and unusual punishments" is just a piece of paper to the PTB in many places.



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28 Sep 2015, 10:42 pm

auntblabby wrote:
it seems as though that part of the constitution proscribing "cruel and unusual punishments" is just a piece of paper to the PTB in many places.


Nothing seems to qualify as "cruel and unusual punishment". Under the heading "cruel and unusual punishments" there is just blank space.


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28 Sep 2015, 10:46 pm

IMHO those backworldsmen responsible for the cruel and unusual punishments are holding America back, spiritually. they're trying to drag the rest of us down with them to the gutter of meanness.



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28 Sep 2015, 11:22 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
The man was not a working class person, but a junkie/druggie who repeatedly relapsed into drugs and while failing to hold a regular job.
He's not innocent in this.

That's a completely separate issue and frankly sounds like victim blaming. The fact is that while in custody the welfare and safety of inmates is the responsibility of the jail. According to the video he was on methadone, xanax, and klonopin because he was actively trying to overcome his addictions, not near as aimless as you frame him to be. Also, drug addiction is not an offense punishable by death, nor should it be, and this was essentially a death sentence due to the ineptitude of the jail system. You may believe it's an acceptable punishment, but thankfully the higher courts don't believe so as I'm sure the jail will soon find out.

The jail had no knowledge of his medical history, as expected.
They would have to go through the release to get it by that time it would have been too late.

There is no victim blaming, though the man in question wound himself in jail for not showing in court.
If he didn't want to go to jail, he should have gone to court as ordered and done something about it.
But he didn't, thus leading to his sentence in part based on his past history.

If he was smart he should have either gone to court as mandated or skipped town to avoid going to the known hell hole as Macomb County Jail.
Or he could broke the law in one of the neighboring counties and gone to a better jail.

He along with the rest of Metro Detroit should be well aware of how woefully understaffed and underfunded Macomb County courts and jail are this day in age.
It's literally in the press every week.

The county is going to be forced once again to put a tax or tax increase on the ballot in order to pay for this mistake and use it as an attempt to raise funding for the county as whole.
The residents of Macomb will follow tradition and shoot taxes and tax increase down.
They will probably protest the new budget as being too big too, forcing the county to slash it.

Macomb County is literally the poorest county in the wealthy area known as SouthEast Michigan, by a very large amount.
Though Macomb is quite standard in comparison with the rest of Michigan.

The sad thing is, Macomb has quite a few rich cities in it.

Macomb probably doesn't even have the money on hand to pay whatever judgment they get handed in the end.

When you get in trouble in Macomb County you, you take the risks on yourself.
It's safer to get jailed in Detroit or anywhere else in Michigan.


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28 Sep 2015, 11:24 pm

xenocity wrote:
Macomb probably doesn't even have the money on hand to pay whatever judgment they get handed in the end.

that skinflint county will be made to pay one way or another.



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28 Sep 2015, 11:32 pm

auntblabby wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Macomb probably doesn't even have the money on hand to pay whatever judgment they get handed in the end.

that skinflint county will be made to pay one way or another.

How does one pay when they lack the funds to pay their own workers a good wage?

I highly doubt the county will lose the suit, but they maybe ordered to fix the jail.

Oh the current County Executive (head) is the former country sheriff (head of the county police).

They also just got done reorganizing the county after the voters were forced to approve a new charter for the county.


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28 Sep 2015, 11:35 pm

glad I don't live there.