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14 Apr 2007, 11:29 am

N.D. bans forced RFID chipping

Computer World | April 13, 2007
Judi McLeod

As expected, North Dakota has become the second state in the U.S. to ban the forced implanting of radio frequency identification (RFID) chips in people.

The two-sentence bill, passed by the state legislature, was signed into law by Gov. John Hoeven last Wednesday. Essentially, it forbids anyone from compelling someone else to have an RFID chip injected into their skin. The state follows in the steps of Wisconsin, which passed similar legislation last year.

"We need to strike a balance as we continue to develop this technology between what it can do and our civil liberties, our right to privacy," Hoeven said in an interview. He emphasized that the law doesn't prohibit voluntary chipping. Military personnel who want an RFID chip injected so they can be more easily tracked will still be allowed to get a chip. There are also potential uses for the technology in corrections or in monitoring animals, he noted.

Marlin Schneider, the state legislator who sponsored the Wisconsin law, said he is glad to see an antichipping legislation trend. However, such statutes don't go far enough to curb the ability of private sector retailers and manufacturers to "implant these things into everything we buy."Ultimately, with RFID tagging systems, corporations "will be able to monitor everything we buy, everywhere we go and, perhaps as these technologies develop, everything we say."

But Michael Shamos, a professor who specializes in security issues at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, believes the law is too vague to do much good. For instance, it only addresses situations where a chip is injected, even though RFID tags can also be swallowed. And it doesn't clearly define what a forced implant really is; someone could make chipping a requirement for a financial reward.

"Suppose I offer to pay you $10,000 if you have an RFID [chip] implanted?" he asked. "Is that 'requiring' if it's totally voluntary on your part?"

The idea behind the law isn't bad, but "it looks hastily drawn and will have unpredictable consequences," said Shamos.



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14 Apr 2007, 1:41 pm

Good. I don't want something implanted in me against my will, and neither does anyone else. It should be completely voluntary, except with dangerous criminals.


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14 Apr 2007, 2:45 pm

Anubis wrote:
Good. I don't want something implanted in me against my will, and neither does anyone else. It should be completely voluntary, except with dangerous criminals.
The problem with that is who is gonna be categorized as a dangerous criminal. Its a slippery slope. I'm personally against chipping any human being.



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14 Apr 2007, 3:25 pm

TheResistance wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Good. I don't want something implanted in me against my will, and neither does anyone else. It should be completely voluntary, except with dangerous criminals.
The problem with that is who is gonna be categorized as a dangerous criminal. Its a slippery slope. I'm personally against chipping any human being.


Convicted rapists, serial/brutal killers, terrorists, peados, I don't see anything messy about it. That way, if people like that escape, or commit another crime, they can easily be tracked and executed on the spot.


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14 Apr 2007, 4:03 pm

Even with dangerous criminals, it's a step too far. I think it's a repulsive idea and I don't trust the state with it.



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14 Apr 2007, 6:43 pm

Anubis wrote:
TheResistance wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Good. I don't want something implanted in me against my will, and neither does anyone else. It should be completely voluntary, except with dangerous criminals.
The problem with that is who is gonna be categorized as a dangerous criminal. Its a slippery slope. I'm personally against chipping any human being.


Convicted rapists, serial/brutal killers, terrorists, peados, I don't see anything messy about it. That way, if people like that escape, or commit another crime, they can easily be tracked and executed on the spot.
"Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?
by Angel Shamaya November 14, 2001
Original Link: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarch ... wsPlus.asp
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Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?

by Angel Shamaya

November 14, 2001

KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back during Clinton's Presidency, asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement."

Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, its wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint at least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people:

"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"

[That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]

"Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training"

[Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]

Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who

"Request authority for a stop"

[That's illegal now?]

"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"

[That's illegal now?]

"Attempt to 'police the police'"

[That's illegal now?]

And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:

"Lone Individuals"

[Do you meet that description?]

"Rebels"

[Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]

Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:

1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.

2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.

READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF

The flyer is a tri-fold, so you'll have to turn your head sideways to read one of the sections.

Front Page
Back Page

NOTE: The far right side of the above "Front Page" is the actual front of the tri-fold flyer. The far left side of the above "Back Page" -- the part that mentions the 'defenders of the US Constitution' -- is the inside flap... the first thing you see when you open the flyer.

HISTORY OF THE FLYER

According to Terry Chapman of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office -- whose name is on the flyer as the MCSO contact -- the FBI created the flyer and printed the MCSO and Attorney's Office before the text was approved. He said it was created as a full color brochure to hand out to officers, not for the general public -- and that as soon as he saw it, he urged them not to use it, knowing it had some problems.

"The flyer never got off the ground," said Officer Chapman, "but it did manage to make it's way out -- and maybe it's right that it did." He genuinely didn't like this piece of junk, and he showed true concern about my issues with the flyer, too. "We were not happy with it. It was formulated, I think, for legitimate purposes, but it fell on stony ground because of the way it was worded -- the unfortunate profiles that were put in there outraged a number of people who received it."

"It's dead in the water as far as I know," said Chapman. "I just can't imagine the FBI putting it out there again. It wasn't for the public. The fact that it's circulating again has gotta be by unofficial sources."

Mr. Chapman couldn't name the FBI agent who created the flyer, saying the individual who created it was no longer with the FBI's Phoenix branch, which he described as having "revolving doors." Sheriff's officers didn't like the flyer, either. Said Chapman, "I had a Lieutenant from our own office call me and ask 'Am I on your list?' Am I a threat?' for supporting the constitution?'" Chapman was embarrassed by the seeming targeting of "decent, honorable segments of the community" by the flyer -- he hoped it would never be handed out or go anywhere at all.

According to Chapman, the FBI approached the Sheriff's Office saying they wanted to put a flyer together to help local law enforcement raise officer awareness about who to watch out for. They asked for a local contact name and number for use of a flyer they wanted to produce, and because Terry Chapman heads up MCSO Intelligence, he was the likely candidate. Possible lesson for Chapman: don't let yourself get used by misguided federal agents again.

The big question: Why the hell does the FBI have someone running around promoting that Defenders of the Constitution (and the common law from which the Constitution was born) are domestic terrorists?

The FBI has not returned phone calls on this matter. But suffice it to say that there has been at least one unAmerican weasel running around their camp urging people to turn against We The Real American People. We'd sure like to know this fool's name and location within the Bureau. If you track that information down, please contact me personally; we've got a bone to pick with him and his boss, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft.

CONTACT THE AGENCIES MENTIONED ON THE FLYER

FBI Phoenix Office

Website: http://phoenix.fbi.gov/
Email: [email protected]
Special Agent in Charge - Guadalupe Gonzalez

FBI's "Civil Rights" Website:
http://phoenix.fbi.gov/contact/fo/phnx/pxcivil.htm

FBI's "Counterterrorism" Website:
http://phoenix.fbi.gov/contact/fo/phnx/pxterr.htm

FBI Arizona Regional Offices:
http://phoenix.fbi.gov/contact/fo/phnx/pxterrit.htm

The Maricopa Sheriff's Office

Website: http://www.mcso.org/

Feedback form for Sheriff Joe Arpaio:
Via Website: http://www.mcso.org/submenu.asp?file=public
Via Email: [email protected], [email protected]

Maricopa County Attorney

Richard M. Romley
http://www.maricopa.gov/attorney/MCAOhome.asp
http://www.maricopa.gov/feedback/feedback.asp
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This is why it's a slippery slope. And the patriot act isn't helping. Even if dangerous criminals get a RFID chip they could just cut off their own arm.



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15 Apr 2007, 8:37 am

rfid chips are very sensitive to electromagnetic pulses - its trivial to make something strong enough to fry them from extremely close range so I dont think this will work very well.

Saying that I can see the day coming when everyone is "encouraged" to get one in the same why you cant survive without having a bank account anymore.



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20 Apr 2007, 7:34 am

Revelation 13:11,16-17; recited:



“I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon. He causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.”


you might be onto something, resistance.


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20 Apr 2007, 12:35 pm

TheResistance wrote:
Among other things, the FBI was asking people:

"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

[#4]"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"


How about that. If you know someone who likes to talk politics and cites the highest law of the land then you need to contact the FBI. The Joint Terrorism Task Force will put them on their "bad guys" list and keep a close eye on them. We will all be so much safer when only Federal Judges are allowed to discuss the supreme law of the land. You never know when these constitution carrying types might talk about how the modern interpretation of the US constitution is a total perversion of what its authors intended. If people like that aren't harassed and intimidated by Federal authorities just think where something like this could lead to. More and more people might recognize that the constitution was written to protect them and their posterity. They might begin to understand that the government isn't concerned with legal rights and precedents. They might start to realize that the Government is fostering a population of obedient taxpayers who won't interfere with their plans. So pay your 20-40% taxes, cast your worthless vote in November and remember to stay the hell out of their way.


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22 Apr 2007, 8:58 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
Revelation 13:11,16-17; recited:



“I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon. He causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name.”


you might be onto something, resistance.


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We need to Pray every night & morning and ask God for forgiveness and guidance. We're living in some crazy times and should be ready. Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till ° all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (Here's a good christian site I go to a lot :arrow: ICR.ORG



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22 Apr 2007, 8:59 pm

Jacob_Landshire wrote:
TheResistance wrote:
Among other things, the FBI was asking people:

"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

[#4]"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"


How about that. If you know someone who likes to talk politics and cites the highest law of the land then you need to contact the FBI. The Joint Terrorism Task Force will put them on their "bad guys" list and keep a close eye on them. We will all be so much safer when only Federal Judges are allowed to discuss the supreme law of the land. You never know when these constitution carrying types might talk about how the modern interpretation of the US constitution is a total perversion of what its authors intended. If people like that aren't harassed and intimidated by Federal authorities just think where something like this could lead to. More and more people might recognize that the constitution was written to protect them and their posterity. They might begin to understand that the government isn't concerned with legal rights and precedents. They might start to realize that the Government is fostering a population of obedient taxpayers who won't interfere with their plans. So pay your 20-40% taxes, cast your worthless vote in November and remember to stay the hell out of their way.
LOL :P could not have wrote it better. Im sure we're on the Terrorist list right now."It doesn't matter who the people voted for; they always vote for us".

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