Trump claims the delegate system is "rigged"

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11 Apr 2016, 1:45 pm

Donald Trump in his latest interview with Fox News claims the Republican Delegate System is "rigged" and controlled by the party establishment.

This after his total and complete loss in Colorado, where Colorado GOP State Convention unanimously awarded Ted Cruz all the state delegates with the other candidates being barred from the convention.

Colorado does the state convention process instead of a primary or caucus.

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But on Monday, Mr Trump, a New York businessman, told Fox News he was angry about the way Mr Cruz had won all the delegates in Colorado.

"They weren't given a vote. It's a crooked deal. The system is rigged, crooked. That's not the way democracy is supposed to work."


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His new campaign manager Paul Manafort accused the Cruz campaign of "Gestapo tactics" in how they had persuaded delegates to support him.

Mr Trump told a rally on Sunday that the person who wins the most votes in the primary process should automatically be the nominee.

"What they're trying to do is subvert the movement with crooked shenanigans," he said.



Though Trump is expected to clean up in New York on April 19th possibly taking all 95 GOP delegates (Democrats vote too on that day for 247 delegates.)

Unless the RNC intervenes as a promised to stop him in NY.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36018003


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11 Apr 2016, 2:16 pm

He actually has a point on this one. The state Republicans here decided to do their caucuses the same time as the Democrats this year, the national party claimed they would invalidate the vote because it came earlier than they wanted. The state held it anyways, and Trump won. A month later the national Republicans told the state Republicans to hold the state convention anyways-- with their own list of delegates to attend. I live in a very conservative area, the locals here have been breathing fire about the whole process for two months now.



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11 Apr 2016, 5:19 pm

This is against the constitution!! !
This is what they do in communist countries!! !
Every state should be like Florida, a primary where voters fill in one bubble and winner takes all!! !



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11 Apr 2016, 5:25 pm

Whiny. Presidential. Not the same thing at all.


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11 Apr 2016, 5:26 pm

Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/


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11 Apr 2016, 5:44 pm

AntDog wrote:
This is against the constitution!! !
This is what they do in communist countries!! !
Every state should be like Florida, a primary where voters fill in one bubble and winner takes all!! !

That's not true.

These are private parties, who can legally set their own rules and do relatively as they please.
Nothing about it violates the constitution.

Whether or not it violates the party rules and state(s) law(s) is a different story.

Though there are those GOP primary voters in Colorado who claim they were turned away from the convention because of their support for Trump.

Now with NY voting on the 19th as closed primary, who knows which way it will go for both parties.


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11 Apr 2016, 5:47 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/

Bernie believes a lot of non sense, including that Hillary Clinton deported children.


Bernie claims the whole U.S. Electoral system is rigged along with the tax code.

Though to be fair, Bernie has been outspoken about how the DNC shouldn't give money to non presidential candidates aka down ticket and make those candidates raise their own money.


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11 Apr 2016, 7:14 pm

xenocity wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/

Bernie believes a lot of non sense, including that Hillary Clinton deported children.


Perhaps not Hillary, but Bill certainly did-- Elian Gonzalez.



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11 Apr 2016, 7:33 pm

It is rigged, that's the entire point of the process which should be obvious by now. They want to steal the nomination from Trump.



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11 Apr 2016, 9:54 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/

Bernie believes a lot of non sense, including that Hillary Clinton deported children.


Perhaps not Hillary, but Bill certainly did-- Elian Gonzalez.


That was due to the U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ruling that only his father could file for Asylum on his behalf, since he was the surviving parent.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ordered the U.S. Government to return Elian back to Cuba immediately to be reunited with his father without delay.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals claimed the mother's relatives had no legal standing.
U.S Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal, so the 11th Court ruling stood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1 ... ody_battle

Bill Clinton was doing what he was ordered to do by the Federal Courts and had no say in the matter.

So no Bill did not deport him.


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11 Apr 2016, 10:17 pm

xenocity wrote:
These are private parties, who can legally set their own rules and do relatively as they please.
Nothing about it violates the constitution.

Whether or not it violates the party rules and state(s) law(s) is a different story.


And how the GOP-voters in Colorado thinks/feels about this. And I doubt they are taking this move well.



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11 Apr 2016, 10:38 pm

So ... a freebooting capitalist who got out of debt no less than four times by gaming one system in his favor is suddenly against other people gaming another system in their favor.

Either play the way the big dogs play or get back under the porch, Donny-boy!



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11 Apr 2016, 10:54 pm

xenocity wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
xenocity wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Bernie believes it's rigged too - and so do I.

http://nypost.com/2016/04/09/bernie-san ... n-wyoming/

Bernie believes a lot of non sense, including that Hillary Clinton deported children.


Perhaps not Hillary, but Bill certainly did-- Elian Gonzalez.


That was due to the U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ruling that only his father could file for Asylum on his behalf, since he was the surviving parent.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals ordered the U.S. Government to return Elian back to Cuba immediately to be reunited with his father without delay.
The U.S. 11th Court of Appeals claimed the mother's relatives had no legal standing.
U.S Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal, so the 11th Court ruling stood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli%C3%A1 ... ody_battle

Bill Clinton was doing what he was ordered to do by the Federal Courts and had no say in the matter.

So no Bill did not deport him.

Did they also order him to deport the kid at gunpoint too? Or was there someone else responsible for that as well? That's the thing about the Clintons there's always a list of other people to blame-- they'd actually do really well on the love and dating forum here.



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12 Apr 2016, 12:16 am

Ari Armstrong wrote:
A completely fair headline of what happened this year would have been, “Colorado Republicans Select Presidential Delegates the Same Way They Did Last Time.” But the reality of the situation is so much more boring than the trumped up version of it.


An insider's view.

http://ariarmstrong.com/2016/04/setting ... an-caucus/


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12 Apr 2016, 4:22 pm

But would Trump complain about the system being rigged if it was working his way?


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12 Apr 2016, 6:34 pm

Donald Trump the whiner strikes again.

If the system was "rigged" in his favor, he wouldn't be whining. The guy is a scam artist, crook, liar and so much more. If he somehow becomes president, I would bet tons of investigations, recounts (and so on) will take place.