Democratic Party helps channel donations to Clinton campaign

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25 Apr 2016, 3:41 pm

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Documents obtained from the Federal Election Commission (FEC) website show that the Democratic Party of Wisconsin (DPW) has been used as a conduit to pass $207,000 from the Hillary Victory Fund (HVF) back to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as a way to allow Clinton’s billionaire donors to skirt federal election limits.


https://wcmcoop.com/2016/04/07/updated- ... -campaign/



It seems that the DNC decided who their candidate was before the first primary vote was even cast...


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25 Apr 2016, 4:00 pm

To be fair everyone else agreed not to run and let Hillary win.
Sanders just isn't committed to the Democrats, since he has already filed for reelection in VT as an independent.
Hell Sanders won't even help other Democrats raise money because he's against it.

He's literally only been a Democrat since 2015 and admitted publicly that he was only doing it to use them to get to the presidency.


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25 Apr 2016, 8:14 pm

I don't see why Sander's should help Democrats. They are as corrupted by big money in politics as the Republicans are. This is what Bernie is campaigning against. It would be hypocritical of him to do so...

The DNC is corrupt, the RNC is corrupt. The elections are rigged in favor of establishment candidates. American democracy is a sham.

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He's literally only been a Democrat since 2015 and admitted publicly that he was only doing it to use them to get to the presidency.


As I've said before. The Democrats and Republicans won't let anyone else play their little game. So there is literally no other way to run for the presidency without running as a member of either of their parties.


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25 Apr 2016, 8:53 pm

You have to prove the whole DNC is corrupt but they have been cleared on corruption many times.
Now some individual candidates have been nailed on corruption charges and been punished under the law.

Now the RNC has a long history of corruption and stealing elections.
They have blocked probes into their workings time and again

Many of their candidates have been convicted on corruption charges.


As it comes to funding, the RNC has far more big donors and money than the DNC.
The DNC has raised less money the last decade than the RNC.
The majority of the RNC's funding comes from the super rich and corporations.
The majority of the DNC's funding comes from unions and individual contributions from middle and lower class people.
Sometimes a rich person donates money to the DNC, though it's rare.

The RNC has outspent the DNC each year since 2000 in money.
Literally the RNC outspent Obama every election he was in office and running for office.

If Bernie really wanted the nomination, he has to fully court the Democrats instead of whining.
Since he refused to commit fully to the DNC, the registered voters didn't take him seriously.
It didn't help that Sanders has been spouting off against the registered Democrats as screwing him and how he feels about them.
Bernie brought his downfall on himself by tearing down the DNC, it's registered voters. and donors while using the party to his advantage.

The DNC has been more than fair to him, after what his campaign has done to the DNC and Hillary.

The point being the DNC is far from perfect, but they aren't even close to being corrupt and being funded by the Super Rich and corporations like the RNC.

If anything most corporations hate the DNC and their voters actively working against them.


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25 Apr 2016, 9:49 pm

They may not be corrupt in that sense, but they certainly have not been playing fair with Sanders. It's like they truly didn't expect anyone to actually challenge Clinton and now they have to use whatever tactic they can in each state to bias the results. Funny thing is, a political party can do whatever they wish to select a nominee. Problem for the DNC is the set up their system so that it appears very egalitarian and democratic and now its working against them. Which tells me the theater they've been presenting as The Primaries are just a farce anyway.

Not that the GOP primaries nor nomination process is any better. While the DNC nominee is likely a given, the GOP chaos is likely going to be worth popping a batch of hot buttered popcorn for.


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25 Apr 2016, 10:53 pm

xenocity wrote:
If Bernie really wanted the nomination, he has to fully court the Democrats instead of whining.
Since he refused to commit fully to the DNC, the registered voters didn't take him seriously.
It didn't help that Sanders has been spouting off against the registered Democrats as screwing him and how he feels about them.
Bernie brought his downfall on himself by tearing down the DNC, it's registered voters. and donors while using the party to his advantage.


You don't seem to get it. The DNC hand picked Hillary even before the primary started. They are not suppose to be biased one way or the other, yet they are. That right there shows their corruption. Guilty as F***!

The primary election rules in states like New York, even though they have been set in stone for many years, intentionally or not, restrict voting. In America we shouldn't have all of these archaic rules in place. It should be a simple open vote, same day registration, etc. . If there was no f*ckery going on the candidates should be ok with this type of set up. Yet we have rules in place to confuse voters and nowadays purge legitimate voters from the elections. It's clearly set up to keep establishment candidates winning every race.

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The DNC has been more than fair to him, after what his campaign has done to the DNC and Hillary.


That is straight up B.S. . Bernie has been too soft on Hillary. There are so many things he didn't hit Hillary on that he should have. And would have had a legitimate reason to hit her on it.

The DNC has wanted him to step aside and let their corrupt candidate, Hillary have the nomination without a fight.

Why the hell is it that the Democratic nomination is a closer race than the Republican nomination is yet the corporate media only talks about a brokered convention happening on the Republican side while on the Democrat side they all want Bernie to drop out of the race, and have wanted him to do so for months now.

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The point being the DNC is far from perfect, but they aren't even close to being corrupt and being funded by the Super Rich and corporations like the RNC.

If anything most corporations hate the DNC and their voters actively working against them.


You are fooling yourself if you don't believe that the DNC is corrupt. Most of our government is bought and owned by billionaires and mega corporations. That includes both sides of the aisle. Why have one party bought without owning the other? Doesn't make much sense. Hillary is owned by big oil and wall street. She's been bought so many times she needs a revolving door installed. :geek:

You do know that we live in an Oligarchy don't you? It's been shown that America is no longer a democracy...


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26 Apr 2016, 1:01 pm

You know the U.S. was never designed to be DEMOCRACY.
The current U.S. constitution was written by the rich and powerful to prevent tyrannical rule and the tyrannical rule of the majority.

George and Martha Washington were the richest people by far in the country when he was elected First President in 1789.

John Adams was rich and powerful, though not as rich as the Washingtons.

Thomas Jefferson was rich and powerful at the time of this first election, though he was very unstable person and died poor in the end.

The first 6 presidents were rich, powerful, and from the establishment aka the "oligarchs".

The first regular Joe to be elected President was Andrew Jackson (#7), he was the first non "oligarch".
This caused the Establishment to push back massively to prevent him from winning the presidency.
It literally nearly broke the Democrats in two.

Then 4 more presidents would be elected from the Establishment and Oligarchy.

President #12 Zachary Taylor was next non Oligarch to be elected president, since he was a well honored American General, he won easily.

The next 3 presidents after him were elected from the establishment and Oligarchy.

Then Abraham Lincoln came along and the dirt poor hick lawyer from the newly created GOP (which broke off from the Democrats) caused an election upset and triggered the civil war.
A Large portion of this country still hates him for the "war of Northern Aggression" aka Lincoln's war.

Andrew Johnson who succeeded him was from the Establishment and an Oligarch.

Then Grant became president and was the most corrupt presidential administration of all time, though he came from money.

The oligarchy and GOP desperate to stop the Democrats from winning, rigged the election making Rutherford B. Hayes the 19th president.

James Garfield was a common man who only won the GOP nomination due to a brokered convention and out of fear that the party elites were too corrupt.
Some how he won the presidency only to be assassinated a few months later.


The 21st President was part of the Establishment and an assistant to the most powerful and corrupt politician of all time in U.S. History.
Chester A. Arthur felt so guilty over Garfield's death (which he had nothing do with it), he devoted himself to reforming the civil service and the whole federal government, which he did to a great deal.

Then the next 6 presidents came from the Establishment, money, power and the "Oligarchy".
Even though Theodore Roosevelt was from that group, he started the progressive era and pushed for social reforms.

Woodrow Wilson was from Academia and only beat the Establishment out because the GOP split their vote in the election.

Then all the presidents until Dwight D. Eisenhower were from the Establishment, money, power and the "oligarchy".

Though FDR was one of the most important presidents and ushered in all the social changes and laws we know, he was from money, power, the establishment and the Oligarchy.

The Establishment with their money, power, and Oligarchy would hold the Presidency until Ford was elected by the House to finish out Nixon's term.
Then surprisingly Carter a complete political outsider aka Mr. Clean won the presidency.
He has gone down as one of the worst presidents of all time, though he dealt with the Nixon shocks.

Then due to his lackluster presidency, the people overwhelmingly voted for a return to the Oligarchy with the landslide election of Reagan for two terms.
Then they did the same thing to his VP George H. Bush.

Then Bill Clinton came along and had to fight hard for the Democratic Nomination, because establishment feared him and Hillary because they were outsiders in 1991.
Then he beat the Oligarch and the Establishment with help for Perot (who split the GOP vote).
Same thing happened in 1996 to lesser degree.

Then SCOTUS appointed George W Bush in 2000 to be President despite election issues, returning it the Oligarchy to power.
He also won reelection in 2004 by voter "irregularities" but Kerry didn't want to fight it in order to heal the country.

Obama won the Democratic nomination after the establishment realized that backing this outsider would lead to an energized voting base giving them a majority in both houses of Congress.

Though the DNC and Obama made a deal in 2008, that if Hillary and her supporters backed him and campaigned for him, She'd get the nomination and the backing of the establishment next time.

Hillary agreed to do whatever it took get him and the Democrats elected in 2008, including getting her supporters to vote in 2008 for Obama.

So Hillary was secured the nomination in 2016 in exchange for letting Obama win the nomination.

To recap only about 8 presidents weren't from the establishment and the Oligarchy.
That is how the founding fathers wanted it done, so the lower classes couldn't do a massive social revolution.
They feared horribly what the lower classes would do if they could easily get power.
Read all the papers on the constitution from it's ratification.

Sanders on the other hand is 30+ year long career politician turned Democrat in 2015, to run for president to stop Hillary from getting the nomination because he doesn't want her to win (or so he told sources behind closed doors).

Sanders stole Hillary's voter data from the DNC database which is breach of rules and borderline illegal, not once apologizing.
They used this data to run their campaign and win as many votes as they have.
Then they used the DNC over it.

All while Sanders hid his admiration for the USSR, hid the fact he honeymooned there, and hid the fact he's been there more than once.
He also supports Castro brothers.
He also uses discredited economists to create his flawed economic plan.
He has also stuck to his campaign promises of giving everyone free healthcare, free college tuition and other free goodies without explaining how he will pay for it.
He also is refusing to show his tax returns to the public, despite all the other candidates doing it including Hillary doing it.
He also refused to go on to Good Morning America and have a Town Hall meeting until he was pressured into showing this morning. You could see how unhappy he was to be there.

He's also reregistered as an Independent in VT for his senate reelection.

Oh let's not talk about how he keeps claiming that Hillary has deported Children and caused Children to be killed.

I don't like Hillary at all and probably won't vote for her.
But I can see that Sanders is all smoke and mirrors and the most hollow and empty candidate this election cycle.
I mean Trump has far more substance than Sanders.


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26 Apr 2016, 1:05 pm

With Hilary Clinton's unpopularity it's time to buy some more superdelegates in backroom deals.


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26 Apr 2016, 3:32 pm

xenocity wrote:
Obama won the Democratic nomination after the establishment realized that backing this outsider would lead to an energized voting base giving them a majority in both houses of Congress.


Obama was also establishment, his presidency proves it. His policies have been inline with what they want, not with what the American people want. He was suppose to bring us change, that didn't happen. They don't listen to the voters, only to their corporate masters.

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Sanders on the other hand is 30+ year long career politician turned Democrat in 2015, to run for president to stop Hillary from getting the nomination because he doesn't want her to win (or so he told sources behind closed doors).


I'm not sure where you get your information on Sanders or why you hate him so much but most likely it's all corporate planted lies to discredit him.

Bernie has been telling the truth about big money in politics and fighting against it his whole career.



Hillary was a Goldwater girl. She is the Milli Vanilli of American politics. She gives lip service but she isn't ever the real deal.


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