Paul Ryan: we will repeal Obamacare and replace it

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05 Jan 2017, 9:39 am

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Nancy pelosi and chuck Schmur supporters love commie healthcare



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06 Jan 2017, 8:48 am

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06 Jan 2017, 9:08 am

Time will tell if it gets replaced with something different that actually works. It's Republicans after all- they will likely screw things up and blame others (as they usually do).

However the defunding of Planned Parenthood is SICK and very wrong. That company helps with birth control and so on. It's not easy for women to get that type of stuff over the counter. But the ignorant Republicans are anti-abortion so anything helping with abortions is instantly evil in their eyes. It's a stupid way of thinking. Old men should NOT be trying to control a women's body.



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06 Jan 2017, 9:39 am

Earthbound wrote:
Time will tell if it gets replaced with something different that actually works. It's Republicans after all- they will likely screw things up and blame others (as they usually do).

However the defunding of Planned Parenthood is SICK and very wrong. That company helps with birth control and so on. It's not easy for women to get that type of stuff over the counter. But the ignorant Republicans are anti-abortion so anything helping with abortions is instantly evil in their eyes. It's a stupid way of thinking. Old men should NOT be trying to control a women's body.


It seems you pretty much took the words out of my mouth considering I was thinking along the same thing.



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06 Jan 2017, 11:03 am

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Old men should NOT be trying to control a women's body.

Because that's the only reason anyone could ever have for opposing abortion.

Could it not be that, when someone says abortion is murder, they *actually believe it*? I know, it's a stretch. I still think listening to people's explanations for why they oppose something can help one discern why they oppose that thing.

I see it in all kinds of people, but it does seem to be more prevalent in those on the left, this inability to understand that other people may have different beliefs, and then searching for some hidden explanation as to why someone with the same beliefs would espouse a different view.



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06 Jan 2017, 12:50 pm

They're going forward with the original plan, to make BOcare single payer, inheriting and retrofitting it.



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06 Jan 2017, 1:38 pm

Earthbound wrote:
Time will tell if it gets replaced with something different that actually works. It's Republicans after all- they will likely screw things up and blame others (as they usually do).

However the defunding of Planned Parenthood is SICK and very wrong. That company helps with birth control and so on. It's not easy for women to get that type of stuff over the counter. But the ignorant Republicans are anti-abortion so anything helping with abortions is instantly evil in their eyes. It's a stupid way of thinking. Old men should NOT be trying to control a women's body.


Yeah I think they also just generally help with womens health as well, and could be mistaking but I thought they also maybe do STD screenings and such. Also I can see having a limit on how long you can wait for an abortion, though I think most states already do have a limit. Either way to try and outright ban it is B.S. If someone gets preganant and finds out too late for the morning after pill they should have the option to abort.


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06 Jan 2017, 1:52 pm

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Old men should NOT be trying to control a women's body.

Because that's the only reason anyone could ever have for opposing abortion.

Could it not be that, when someone says abortion is murder, they *actually believe it*? I know, it's a stretch. I still think listening to people's explanations for why they oppose something can help one discern why they oppose that thing.

I see it in all kinds of people, but it does seem to be more prevalent in those on the left, this inability to understand that other people may have different beliefs, and then searching for some hidden explanation as to why someone with the same beliefs would espouse a different view.


I can believe some people really do believe that and its usually tied to religious beliefs....but that doesn't mean they should be able to impose that on me or any other women. Also I see it in all kinds of people but it does seem more prelevant on the right, the desire to have other peoples lives dictated by their personal religious beliefs. I have certainly looked at and listened to peoples reasons for thinking abortion should not be allowed, and usually it eventually comes down to religious reasons. Which creating legislation based on peoples religious beliefs goes against the first amendment.


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06 Jan 2017, 3:55 pm

Even a cartoonish, CGI image of an abortion is fairly gruesome.

Some activists (and I would call them tasteless) show literal photos. There are big, giant posterboards, of the gory aftermath, and sjw's go insane, assaulting people, clawing, bludgeoning, and doing whatever they can, to remove the images from public view.

In the most extreme example, someone had posted a moving, real-life video on my fb page, and has been unfriended.

I think, if you can't look at it, don't do it.



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07 Jan 2017, 5:26 am

what part of "repeal and DELAY" suggests replacement? republicans have indefinitely "delayed" health care reform for the better part of a century, and show no signs of changing this game plan anytime in the foreseeable future.



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07 Jan 2017, 11:14 am

Trump really isn't a Republican though, he's his own entity. And he will have the Republicans working for him. Just hope he will be a mostly benevolent overlord.



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07 Jan 2017, 11:44 am

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Actually it's half the woman's genetic make up and half the fathers genetic make up and is just a bunch of cells(before its even a viable baby). Without the mother cells controlling the growth it wouldn't even exist. The future parents should have the right to abort a non viable baby before it becomes viable.

Guess what it's not the government's baby either.



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07 Jan 2017, 11:47 am

Alliekit wrote:
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Actually it's half the woman's genetic make up and half the fathers genetic make up and is just a bunch of cells(before its even a viable baby). Without the mother cells controlling the growth it wouldn't even exist. The future parents should have the right to abort a non viable baby before it becomes viable.

And actually it is their body their choice because pregnancy changed your body forever. I think women should have the choice to not have permanent back problems, permanent bladder problems and a ripped open vagina because the governest said they cannot have an abortion. This on top of the low quality of life an unwanted infant would face

Guess what it's not the government's baby either



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07 Jan 2017, 12:27 pm

I respect that this is fringe material. It will not realistically be useful in your day-to-day discussion, particularly, with sjw's.

But, Medieval ideas are pursued, formally, in lab settings.

In the late 80's, Scientific American posted an article, in which successive layers were washed away, with lab chemicals.

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It used to be called a homunculus, and means the woman is not the instigator.

Life was formerly associated with blood. Blood was formerly associated with sperm. The seed of life would originate in the male, who, as is written, was formed first.

This is not being considered in a cultural vacuum. Take them or leave them, we have precedents.



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07 Jan 2017, 1:00 pm

They will repeal it as soon as possible, but they'll replace it whenever they ****ing feel like it.
"Got sick? Die quick!" That's their motto.


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