Russia Declares Jehovah Witnesses An Extremist Group

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20 Apr 2017, 2:11 pm

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/20/russian-court-bans-jehovahs-witnesses-extremist-group/100701524/


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20 Apr 2017, 3:10 pm

Whilst the JW girls in town are absolute babes (aka: hot), and I wouldn't mind having intimate bed-time with one of them (I would even «do it» with ALL of them for that matter, and even their mothers, too), that doesn't change the fact that the JW institution actually is run and operated in much the manner of a cult-religion. You need to understand that, just like the «main-stream» media does with ITS own organisation(s), the JW organisation also engages in much «censorship» and «suppression» of ANY «criticism» of its exclusionary culture.

https://jwvictims.org/beware-the-cult-like-control-and-abuse-of-jehovahs-witnesses/
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/jehov ... iences.php
http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com/

The writing is on the wall, the «evidence» that the JW institution is a cult is strong (although I must admit that a lot of them are still absolutely sexy babes worth seducing into lots of lustful-pleasures), although I do disagree with taking forceful approaches to «control» others unless it is specifically designed for their rehabilitation and benefit, such as having them all attend a Three-Hour Feeling Easier Seminar that was designed and has been offered up to the world by THE very Messiah himself.


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20 Apr 2017, 4:30 pm

From the outside looking in, they are impeccable. I mean, perfect. If anyone says we have a personality conflict, no. I really want to like you.

Business dealings are all like Mountain Meadows.

Speaking of which, when I study Russia's stance on the jq, they were primarily concerned about the formation of a parallel society. 'Country-within-a-country', it has been called.

Yes, Russia is socially-conservative, by many standards, but all of it's virtue signals are intended honor the god of State, under which, civics is the same as piety.

People on the Mormon / JW spectrum are somewhat separatist, preppers, oftentimes.

In a manner of speaking, safespaces -- real ones, which really take care of their own -- are comparable to the Communist crime of original accumulation, in which independent food and money could be used to coerce the poor. The verbiage has very-possibly changed, in 100yrs, but I think the basic concepts have stuck.



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20 Apr 2017, 5:03 pm

As far back as the Gorbechav era , when the atheistic Marxist state began to lighten up on religion, there has been a lot of religious xenophobia in Russia coming out of the woodwork. Now that we are free to worship lets all outlaw imported religions! Lol!

There was talk even then about historically local religions banding together to keep out American Evangelical Protestant missionaries.

The result of this was the beginnings of a strange alliance between Eastern Orthodox Christianity ( the religious culture of the Slavic Russian mainstream) and Islam (the traditional religion of Russia's central Asian minorities, Buddhism (a minority group in Russia called the Kalmucks with their own semiautomous state are the one majority Buddhist ethnic group in Europe), and Judaism. Clerics from all of those strange bedfellow religions banded together because they are all from religions long standing within the Russian landmass- and banded together to oppose Western (particularly American) imported brands of Christianity.

This proposed alliance of native religions apparently fizzled sometime in the Nineties. You stopped hearing about it. But this new decree by Putin is probably part of the same mentality of Russian religious nativism. Look for more sanctions of this kind to come in Russia: against Mormons, and against Protestant Evangelicals.



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20 Apr 2017, 5:14 pm

When you read the writings of pivotal Communists, they used figures of speech from the Bible. They were adamant historians, who studied banking and empire and everything scientific, and good, and which represents the civilization of mankind.

On seeing film footage, I got the impression of that sci-fi, parallel universe, in which only one trivial detail is changed.

That detail is, everything they have incorporated, including nominal Christianity, is in honor of the govt.

If crony capital is reading, I may as well be typing this, for you, personally.



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20 Apr 2017, 5:23 pm

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is a scam organization no different than the Church of Scientology. While most of their followers are simply normal people who got suckered in, the organization itself is f*****g evil. One of my best friends is an ex-member, and he's had a lot to say about how the organization controls and manipulates people.

It actually kind of amazes me that Russia considers them an extremist group, but when it's f*****g Russia doing it, that says something.


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20 Apr 2017, 5:30 pm

Though the leadership will stereotypically be avaricious, I think the little guy, involved in religious cults, and in the cult of govt, usually, just wants to feel good, inside. I think, they are nice people -- much too nice.



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20 Apr 2017, 7:30 pm

I'm glad to see *some* countries are beginning to realize what I've already known for years.



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20 Apr 2017, 9:27 pm

Doesn't surprise me, as Putin clearly favors the Russian Orthodox Church, and so has made life uncomfortable for other denominations. I had a chance to speak to a Lutheran missionary to Russia, who had told how he and other missionaries had been booted out of the country from time to time, precisely because they were seen as rivals to Russian Orthodoxy.


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20 Apr 2017, 10:27 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, as Putin clearly favors the Russian Orthodox Church, and so has made life uncomfortable for other denominations. I had a chance to speak to a Lutheran missionary to Russia, who had told how he and other missionaries had been booted out of the country from time to time, precisely because they were seen as rivals to Russian Orthodoxy.


I wonder if it's part of Putin's cult of personality.


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21 Apr 2017, 12:26 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, as Putin clearly favors the Russian Orthodox Church, and so has made life uncomfortable for other denominations. I had a chance to speak to a Lutheran missionary to Russia, who had told how he and other missionaries had been booted out of the country from time to time, precisely because they were seen as rivals to Russian Orthodoxy.


I wonder if it's part of Putin's cult of personality.


Maybe. But it's definitely a matter of nationalism, as the Russian Orthodox church has always been tied to the Russian Nation's identity.


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21 Apr 2017, 2:26 pm

Australian refuseniks are now being regarded as terrorists, in recent news. And, German homeschoolers have been SWAT-teamed.

Again, I feel that the issue is not limited to any one nation or ideology. Tthis is a question of separatism, imo.

It's state control of your drinking water, shelter, when you go to the bathroom, sleep, and wake up, and these passably-polite JW's, will not participate in the "pledge of allegiance," in this country.

It's the old discussion on where you draw the line, between terrorist or a freedom fighter.

Where I draw the line -- Are you building a cistern, using me up like a slave, or disposing of me like an Old Testament heathen.

If it were up to me, I would refuse your condescension, but admire whatever peaceful endeavor. I am not your enemy nor enabler.



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22 Apr 2017, 6:37 pm

Welll, on one hand being in AZ with Mormons and JWs all over, I can see their point. They are extreme, secular, and seditious in ways. It it doesnt say terrorist extremists, just extremist. Not that I could see many Russians staying that kooky caste cult for long.
I still find it funny as a headline tho.

I do wonder why always media worry on what religions do or dont pass in western world yet barely a blip to how communist regimes treat religion adherents, or Asia, or African warlords.


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22 Apr 2017, 9:27 pm

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[color=#000083]Whilst the JW girls in town are absolute babes (aka: hot), and I wouldn't mind having intimate bed-time with one of them (I would even «do it» with ALL of them for that matter,


This reminds me when I was in my early 20s I was chatted up by a (very attractive) JW girl at a bus-stop. She quite easily convinced me to join her at one of her JW youth gatherings to learn about JW.

Once inside there was a concerted effort to indocrinate me. I was more than willing, however, because of the girl. After my third visit I was disappointed to learn she was "promised" to somebody else. Reality struck...I had just as much likelihood to date one of these JW girls as anybody in the outside world. I left.

Christian groups target young men with the old "honey trap", unfortunately in my case there was no honey...just the trap...



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23 Apr 2017, 6:12 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
I'm glad to see *some* countries are beginning to realize what I've already known for years.


So you agree with Putin that the JWs are an "extremist group"?



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23 Apr 2017, 6:19 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Doesn't surprise me, as Putin clearly favors the Russian Orthodox Church, and so has made life uncomfortable for other denominations. I had a chance to speak to a Lutheran missionary to Russia, who had told how he and other missionaries had been booted out of the country from time to time, precisely because they were seen as rivals to Russian Orthodoxy.


I wonder if it's part of Putin's cult of personality.


Maybe. But it's definitely a matter of nationalism, as the Russian Orthodox church has always been tied to the Russian Nation's identity.


Yes. The JWs dont take away any personal adulation that Putin may get. But they are trespassers on the turf of the Russian Orthodox Church. Nationalism is often tied to religion (Both Polish, and Irish, nationalism is very much tied to Catholicism, for example).