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08 Apr 2018, 11:13 pm
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news ... opposition
There are a lot of pics & tweets in the article so I didn't copy and paste.
Cliffs:
Texas based Kinder Morgan wants to twin a pipeline from the tarsands of Alberta (basically real world Mordor, one of the biggest environmentally destructive places on Earth) to the BC coast which would triple crude flow that they hope to sell to China. There's no known way to cleanup a bitumen spill because the stuff sinks. The federal gov't approved the pipeline and Alberta wants it because they are a one industry Province - Oil - and they spend like drunken sailors, so they're broke. BC's new gov't, Greenpeace hippy population, and dozens of Aboriginal Nations, are all opposed and fighting the pipeline in court. There have been some minor trade wars and Alberta is trying to cut off supplies of oil to BC. Kinder Morgan has spent $1.1B of $7B in projected costs and is now considering pulling the plug because they know that despite federal approval they can't make the 3 different governments, plus the Natives, all agree to let it be built.
Good. Our land & ocean are worth more than money. Besides, China might not even buy the crap at all since they can get higher grade product for a lower price transported on bigger ships faster from elsewhere. Time to stop building pipelines and embrace renewable energy sources. Hell, we're spending North of $10B on a another hydroelectric dam and flooding the picturesque Peace River Valley even though we don't Need it because the project is already passed the point of no return they say. Get with the program and move on from fossil fuels, IMO.
In the meantime.. it's the Wild West.. Cowboys vs. Indians and they're gonna FIGHT! It's probably gonna get pretty awesome to watch. 
The cowboys from Alberta & Texas can F right off outta BC! 
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09 Apr 2018, 12:26 am
lol and they would NEVER get the agreement of the Natives to punch the pipeline through their lands. They might get the BC government if the paid them enough, but the Native bands that didn't agree to it can't be bribed with money like the ones that did. The Natives have said the same thing since the beginning, and that is: "This pipeline will never be built."
That's why they had to get the federal gov't of Canada to approve the pipeline and steal whatever land is necessary. The gov't of Canada says the project is in the "national interest," ($$), and will be built.. lol no it won't. Even if BC caves, the Natives will hold this f****r hostage in court until Kinder Morgan runs out of money. 
And that's why they're considering pulling the plug to protect their shareholders' money. It might be the smartest move they could make if they're not prepared for years of delays.
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09 Apr 2018, 5:04 am
There are a lot of pics & tweets in the article so I didn't copy and paste.
Cliffs:
Texas based Kinder Morgan wants to twin a pipeline from the tarsands of Alberta (basically real world Mordor, one of the biggest environmentally destructive places on Earth) to the BC coast which would triple crude flow that they hope to sell to China. There's no known way to cleanup a bitumen spill because the stuff sinks. The federal gov't approved the pipeline and Alberta wants it because they are a one industry Province - Oil - and they spend like drunken sailors, so they're broke. BC's new gov't, Greenpeace hippy population, and dozens of Aboriginal Nations, are all opposed and fighting the pipeline in court. There have been some minor trade wars and Alberta is trying to cut off supplies of oil to BC. Kinder Morgan has spent $1.1B of $7B in projected costs and is now considering pulling the plug because they know that despite federal approval they can't make the 3 different governments, plus the Natives, all agree to let it be built.
Good. Our land & ocean are worth more than money. Besides, China might not even buy the crap at all since they can get higher grade product for a lower price transported on bigger ships faster from elsewhere. Time to stop building pipelines and embrace renewable energy sources. Hell, we're spending North of $10B on a another hydroelectric dam and flooding the picturesque Peace River Valley even though we don't Need it because the project is already passed the point of no return they say. Get with the program and move on from fossil fuels, IMO.
In the meantime.. it's the Wild West.. Cowboys vs. Indians and they're gonna FIGHT! It's probably gonna get pretty awesome to watch.
The cowboys from Alberta & Texas can F right off outta BC! Not to mention China is actually on board with renewable energy...so why would they want to buy dirty oil from the U.S if they can get ahead in producing things like solar panels and windmill parts. Also not sure the U.S would be the first place they are looking to trade with after Trumps tariffs.
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09 Apr 2018, 10:27 pm
There are a lot of pics & tweets in the article so I didn't copy and paste.
Cliffs:
Texas based Kinder Morgan wants to twin a pipeline from the tarsands of Alberta (basically real world Mordor, one of the biggest environmentally destructive places on Earth) to the BC coast which would triple crude flow that they hope to sell to China. There's no known way to cleanup a bitumen spill because the stuff sinks. The federal gov't approved the pipeline and Alberta wants it because they are a one industry Province - Oil - and they spend like drunken sailors, so they're broke. BC's new gov't, Greenpeace hippy population, and dozens of Aboriginal Nations, are all opposed and fighting the pipeline in court. There have been some minor trade wars and Alberta is trying to cut off supplies of oil to BC. Kinder Morgan has spent $1.1B of $7B in projected costs and is now considering pulling the plug because they know that despite federal approval they can't make the 3 different governments, plus the Natives, all agree to let it be built.
Good. Our land & ocean are worth more than money. Besides, China might not even buy the crap at all since they can get higher grade product for a lower price transported on bigger ships faster from elsewhere. Time to stop building pipelines and embrace renewable energy sources. Hell, we're spending North of $10B on a another hydroelectric dam and flooding the picturesque Peace River Valley even though we don't Need it because the project is already passed the point of no return they say. Get with the program and move on from fossil fuels, IMO.
In the meantime.. it's the Wild West.. Cowboys vs. Indians and they're gonna FIGHT! It's probably gonna get pretty awesome to watch.
The cowboys from Alberta & Texas can F right off outta BC! Not to mention China is actually on board with renewable energy...so why would they want to buy dirty oil from the U.S if they can get ahead in producing things like solar panels and windmill parts. Also not sure the U.S would be the first place they are looking to trade with after Trumps tariffs.
Windmills and solar panels seem to only make sense with tax deductions. Without the tax deductions, they are a pretty inefficient way to generate electricity.
What China does use for producing electricity is a lot of coal and they supposedly aren't interested in doing any scrubbing of the emissions.
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09 Apr 2018, 11:03 pm
What China does use for producing electricity is a lot of coal and they supposedly aren't interested in doing any scrubbing of the emissions.
The price of solar power generation keeps plummeting and some Chinese engineers just prototyped a way to generate power from them in the rain by capturing energy from the motion of raindrops landing on panels and running off. There will be more and more solar, even without government subsidies, especially as it becomes cheaper than other forms of power generation - not just greener.
China has just invested tons of $ into scrubbing coal fired power plant emissions - probably more than any other country in the world, possibly more than all others combined. I can't recall the figures, but it's HUGE. They're scrubbing emissions, installing more solar than anyone.. they're not exactly on board with Trump's vision of bringing back the dying coal industry. They're cleaning their act up very quickly.
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10 Apr 2018, 2:51 am
http://vancouversun.com/pmn/news-pmn/ca ... e=Facebook
Feds are pissed and having an emergency meeting.
BC’s premier has to oppose the pipeline in every legal way he can in order to maintain power in our provincial govt since the vote was nearly 50/50, he doesn’t have a majority govt and the only way he maintains control is by having the support of the Green Party’s handful of votes.. and he can only have them by maintaining opposition to the pipeline. So, an environmental based political party actually has real teeth in govt for the first time ever, even with only a few seats.
Trudeau must be furious. He campaigned, in part, in making environmental sustainability a part of his platform. Approving the pipeline alienated environmental voters and now if it doesn’t get built he gets nothing for doing that.
Another thing is if it does get built, it becomes next to impossible for Canada to meet its greenhouse gas reduction targets in international agreements.
Cowboys vs. Indians.. Go Indians Go!
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10 Apr 2018, 12:43 pm
What China does use for producing electricity is a lot of coal and they supposedly aren't interested in doing any scrubbing of the emissions.
The price of solar power generation keeps plummeting and some Chinese engineers just prototyped a way to generate power from them in the rain by capturing energy from the motion of raindrops landing on panels and running off. There will be more and more solar, even without government subsidies, especially as it becomes cheaper than other forms of power generation - not just greener.
China has just invested tons of $ into scrubbing coal fired power plant emissions - probably more than any other country in the world, possibly more than all others combined. I can't recall the figures, but it's HUGE. They're scrubbing emissions, installing more solar than anyone.. they're not exactly on board with Trump's vision of bringing back the dying coal industry. They're cleaning their act up very quickly.
In some niches, capturing energy from raindrops might produce small amounts of power, but it is hardly the answer to running any modern country unless they want to be as dark as North Korea.
This niche is one where it's an overlay on top of solar panels, making them useful when it rains, which could be a game changer. It's not intended to be a standalone power generation technology, but rather one that makes solar more effective since the panels can still generate power when it's clouded over and raining.
Back to the OP: BC's Premier dissed the feds & Alberta basically saying "Cancelling a pipeline is not a constitutional crisis. It wasn't when either of the last ones got cancelled and it isn't now. One project doesn't make an economy."
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10 Apr 2018, 5:10 pm
Initial prototypes are about proof of concept. Solar panels today are far more efficient than they were a decade ago, or especially compared to when they were first invented. Whether it's an overlay or underlay I don't know, but the point is that research is being done to make the most of out solar/renewables & they will get better and better.
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10 Apr 2018, 7:08 pm
Cowboys vs. Indians.. Go Indians Go!
Yeah we're getting educated and learning to play their game. Being able to live off the land/ocean is extremely important to us Indians. It seems crazy that Trudeau is willing to sacrifice that while pretending that "reconciliation" is important to him.
10 Apr 2018, 7:37 pm
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10 Apr 2018, 8:10 pm
Cowboys vs. Indians.. Go Indians Go!
Yeah we're getting educated and learning to play their game. Being able to live off the land/ocean is extremely important to us Indians. It seems crazy that Trudeau is willing to sacrifice that while pretending that "reconciliation" is important to him.
Pretty much. It's times like these that I embrace my sister's family tree research that says we're part Native.
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10 Apr 2018, 10:45 pm
Lol Alberta’s Premier is getting more desperate by the day.. now she says Alberta will consider paying for the whole $7.4B pipeline to guarantee it gets built.
BC’s response is she can do whatever she wants.. in Alberta.
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/2018 ... -pipeline/
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