Trump's Thanksgiving is to Mr. Bone Saw, not to God

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22 Nov 2018, 10:29 am

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Donald Trump sees Saudi Crown Prince Mr. Bone Saw as a key strategic partner in the Middle East
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Trump thanks Saudi Arabia for lower oil prices

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US President Donald Trump on Wednesday ignored criticism that he gave Saudi Arabia a free pass on the murder of a dissident journalist, instead praising the Islamic kingdom for keeping oil prices low.

Trump, on holiday at his Florida Mar-a-Lago Club, doubled down on an unusually worded statement from Tuesday that he was essentially ignoring the killing of Jamal Khashoggi because of what he said were more important US strategic and commercial interests.

"Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82," he tweeted. "Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let's go lower!"

The fulsome praise for Saudi Arabia's help in maintaining cheap oil built on comments he made Tuesday at the White House, saying that "if we broke with them, I think your oil prices would go through the roof."

"They've helped me keep them down," he said.

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The focus on oil prices is one strand of Trump's argument against punishing the US ally for Khashoggi's death, even though the CIA reportedly found strong evidence that de facto Saudi leader, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, was involved.

Khashoggi, a US resident who wrote for The Washington Post and had been critical of Prince Mohammed, was lured to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on October 2, killed and reportedly dismembered.

After lengthy denials, Saudi authorities admitted responsibility and said 21 people had been taken into custody. However, a CIA analysis leaked to the US media went further, reportedly pointing the finger at Prince Mohammed, who has especially close contacts with the Trump White House.

In a formal statement Tuesday -- released just after nearly the entire White House press corps had left to cover the lighthearted annual ritual of the president sparing a turkey from the Thanksgiving table -- Trump said the prince "could very well be" in on the crime.

But he then went on to flatly reject any suggestion of punishing the Saudi leader, saying Washington "intends to remain a steadfast partner."

Trump's reasoning was that Saudi Arabia and the United States are partners in opposing Iran and the Saudis have committed to $450 billion in weapons contracts and other investments, as well as being a major oil producer.

"Very simply it is called America first!" Trump concluded.

This was in contrast to previously stated positions where Trump promised a tough response, warning in an October interview with The Wall Street Journal, for example, that the US-Saudi relationship "would take a while to rebuild."

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Trump's posture has provoked rare dissension among the ranks of senior Republicans.

Senator Lindsey Graham said on Fox News that Prince Mohammed is "crazy."

"It's not too much to ask an ally not to butcher a guy in a consulate," he said.

And Senator Bob Corker, the Republican leader of the foreign relations committee, tweeted scathingly: "I never thought I'd see the day a White House would moonlight as a public relations firm for the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia."

Corker and the senior Democrat on the committee, Bob Menendez, demanded that the Trump administration issue a clear statement on whether Prince Mohammed was involved.

Another prominent Republican, Senator Rand Paul, added "Let's put America first, not Saudi Arabia," while Khashoggi's old employer the Post said in an editorial that Trump's position meant "a world where dictators know they can murder their critics and suffer no consequences."

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pushed back in a radio interview Wednesday, saying: "We are going to make sure that America always stands for human rights. We've watched the Saudis actually move in that direction during our time in office as well.

"It's not an unblemished record, but there certainly have been steps forward."



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22 Nov 2018, 12:25 pm

This is a good conundrum.

Trump condemns the guy or I get lower gas prices?

I think I take lower gas prices, since they already arrested like 21 people for this. :|


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22 Nov 2018, 2:33 pm

The sanctions on Iran were done by Trump to please and favour his mates the Saudis, the loss of the Iran supply benefits the Saudis, it's pretty transparent.



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22 Nov 2018, 2:57 pm

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The sanctions on Iran were done by Trump to please and favour his mates the Saudis, the loss of the Iran supply benefits the Saudis, it's pretty transparent.


It's much more to do with Israel. The Saudis have been friends with US Presidents for decades.


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26 Nov 2018, 1:41 am

Trump is more interested in his investments in Saudi Arabia, and so is trying to sell Americans a bill of goods. We actually get far more oil from Canada than we do from the Saudis. And seriously, where else are the Saudis going to get their weapons? Certainly not from the Russians or Chinese, as all the weapons the Saudis have are American made, and parts and equipment from elsewhere are incompatible with them.


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26 Nov 2018, 8:13 am

That's just nonsense. Trump was actually honest and just admitted that the US sells a lot of arms to them as well as other countries. I guess it's easy to blame everything on Trump to try and excuse the crimes of your country.


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26 Nov 2018, 3:26 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
That's just nonsense. Trump was actually honest and just admitted that the US sells a lot of arms to them as well as other countries. I guess it's easy to blame everything on Trump to try and excuse the crimes of your country.


I see you chose to ignore the matter of Saudi oil Trump untruthfully claims America depends on.
As for weapons sold to the Saudis - - your take on it isn't what I got listening to Trump. Just which American President has denied they sold weapons to the Saudis?


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26 Nov 2018, 5:33 pm

The US wouldn't be tied to the Saudis if they didn't have oil. Trump just admitted that the business is more important to the US than any moral values. At least he's honest about US foreign policy.


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26 Nov 2018, 8:08 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
The US wouldn't be tied to the Saudis if they didn't have oil. Trump just admitted that the business is more important to the US than any moral values. At least he's honest about US foreign policy.


Trump's also bragged how America is energy efficient. So, no we don't need Saudi oil.
Trump doesn't cling to moral values just because of the Saudi/American relationship, but also due to his personal investments in that country.


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27 Nov 2018, 7:41 am

I was under the impression that Spanky's primarily grateful for himself.

“What are you most thankful for Mr. President?”

“For having a great family and for having made a tremendous difference in this country. I’ve made a tremendous difference in the country. This country is so much stronger now than it was when I took office that you wouldn’t believe it. I mean, you see it, but so much stronger that people can’t even believe it. When I see foreign leaders they say ‘we cannot believe the difference in strength between the United States now and the United States two years ago’. Made a lot of progress.”

What "foreign leaders" really say. :lol:



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27 Nov 2018, 12:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
The US wouldn't be tied to the Saudis if they didn't have oil. Trump just admitted that the business is more important to the US than any moral values. At least he's honest about US foreign policy.


Trump's also bragged how America is energy efficient. So, no we don't need Saudi oil.
Trump doesn't cling to moral values just because of the Saudi/American relationship, but also due to his personal investments in that country.


Well he's talking nonsense. If he's referring to fracking, that's gonna lead to disaster. When did you start believing Trump? So yes you need the Saudis for oil and also for their jihadists.


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27 Nov 2018, 2:16 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
The US wouldn't be tied to the Saudis if they didn't have oil. Trump just admitted that the business is more important to the US than any moral values. At least he's honest about US foreign policy.


Trump's also bragged how America is energy efficient. So, no we don't need Saudi oil.
Trump doesn't cling to moral values just because of the Saudi/American relationship, but also due to his personal investments in that country.


Well he's talking nonsense. If he's referring to fracking, that's gonna lead to disaster. When did you start believing Trump? So yes you need the Saudis for oil and also for their jihadists.


When did you stop believing Trump?


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27 Nov 2018, 2:24 pm

I don't believe or disbelieve him in general or to suit my own biases. I praise him if he does something good and criticise him when he does something bad. That's normal.


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27 Nov 2018, 2:45 pm

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I don't believe or disbelieve him in general or to suit my own biases. I praise him if he does something good and criticise him when he does something bad. That's normal.


Tell me when he does something good.


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27 Nov 2018, 4:23 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
I don't believe or disbelieve him in general or to suit my own biases. I praise him if he does something good and criticise him when he does something bad. That's normal.


Tell me when he does something good.


Pulled out of TPP. Cut off funding for Al Qaeda in Syria. Worked towards peace in North Korea. Has had dialogue with Russia.


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27 Nov 2018, 7:12 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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JohnPowell wrote:
I don't believe or disbelieve him in general or to suit my own biases. I praise him if he does something good and criticise him when he does something bad. That's normal.


Tell me when he does something good.


Pulled out of TPP. Cut off funding for Al Qaeda in Syria. Worked towards peace in North Korea. Has had dialogue with Russia.


I'm not always good with alphabet soup initials. What, pray tell, is TPP?
Trump's allowed Kim to probably restart his WMD arsenal unhindered, while turning South Korea into sitting ducks by cancelling joint war games with the US.
So far, he's been crawling up the a$$ of his benefactor, Putin. I don't know how great that's supposed to be.


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