18 Jan 2019, 8:34 am
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18 Jan 2019, 10:03 pm
Yep. It seems not enough people know this yet.
I still eat plenty of canned salmon, but I do my part by very rarely eating beef and eating plenty of hemp seeds & some nuts. I also recently bought several kg's of various beans/lentils in an effort to eat more plant based protein than I do already.
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19 Jan 2019, 7:26 am
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19 Jan 2019, 11:35 am
EzraS wrote:
Now desired controls over what people consume has also achieved doomsday status.
Again, are you just pretending to be stupid just to get a rise out of us?
Factory farming is a MASSIVE contributor to GHG's in our atmosphere. The planet cannot sustain raising that many animals for human consumption. It's a waste of grain & water that could feed everyone many times over.
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20 Jan 2019, 10:45 pm
20 Jan 2019, 11:07 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Now desired controls over what people consume has also achieved doomsday status.
Again, are you just pretending to be stupid just to get a rise out of us?
Neither of course.
goldfish21 wrote:
Factory farming is a MASSIVE contributor to GHG's in our atmosphere. The planet cannot sustain raising that many animals for human consumption. It's a waste of grain & water that could feed everyone many times over.
Many people have been limiting or eliminating red meat and pork from their diet for a long time now anyways. I think the idea that the planet will be destroyed in a few years if everyone doesn't go vegan is a bit overstated.
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21 Jan 2019, 3:47 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Now desired controls over what people consume has also achieved doomsday status.
Again, are you just pretending to be stupid just to get a rise out of us?
Neither of course.
goldfish21 wrote:
Factory farming is a MASSIVE contributor to GHG's in our atmosphere. The planet cannot sustain raising that many animals for human consumption. It's a waste of grain & water that could feed everyone many times over.
Many people have been limiting or eliminating red meat and pork from their diet for a long time now anyways. I think the idea that the planet will be destroyed in a few years if everyone doesn't go vegan is a bit overstated.
Then you are ignorant of the facts.
North Americans consume more beef than anyone else. We have to reduce our consumption of it significantly compared to other areas of the world.
You're also ignorant of the environmental costs of factory farming cattle. It's bad. Very bad. The amount of grain and water it takes to grow a cow is insane. And the methane cows give off is significant enough to be a major GHG contributor. Then there's the rainforests being chopped down for pasture land.. etc. You are drastically underestimating the effects our model western diet has on the planet we all depend on for survival.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.21 Jan 2019, 5:28 am
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Now desired controls over what people consume has also achieved doomsday status.
Again, are you just pretending to be stupid just to get a rise out of us?
Neither of course.
goldfish21 wrote:
Factory farming is a MASSIVE contributor to GHG's in our atmosphere. The planet cannot sustain raising that many animals for human consumption. It's a waste of grain & water that could feed everyone many times over.
Many people have been limiting or eliminating red meat and pork from their diet for a long time now anyways. I think the idea that the planet will be destroyed in a few years if everyone doesn't go vegan is a bit overstated.
Then you are ignorant of the facts.
North Americans consume more beef than anyone else. We have to reduce our consumption of it significantly compared to other areas of the world.
You're also ignorant of the environmental costs of factory farming cattle. It's bad. Very bad. The amount of grain and water it takes to grow a cow is insane. And the methane cows give off is significant enough to be a major GHG contributor. Then there's the rainforests being chopped down for pasture land.. etc. You are drastically underestimating the effects our model western diet has on the planet we all depend on for survival.
It's interesting that you proclaim me as ignorant over specifics which I have not yet commented on. Why don't you dispense with the constant inappropriate condescending disrespectful petty insults insinuations and name-calling and address the topic rather than the person.
If the methane produced by mamals (including the 7 billion human mamals on earth) is going to destroy the earth in a short time, then we're all doomed. Basically what's being said is that human mamals need to consume more of what causes bovine mamals to produce methane in the first place. Ironically foods like whole grains, vegetables and legumes ie a vegan diet causes humans to produce methane.
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21 Jan 2019, 8:40 am
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Now desired controls over what people consume has also achieved doomsday status.
Again, are you just pretending to be stupid just to get a rise out of us?
Neither of course.
goldfish21 wrote:
Factory farming is a MASSIVE contributor to GHG's in our atmosphere. The planet cannot sustain raising that many animals for human consumption. It's a waste of grain & water that could feed everyone many times over.
Many people have been limiting or eliminating red meat and pork from their diet for a long time now anyways. I think the idea that the planet will be destroyed in a few years if everyone doesn't go vegan is a bit overstated.
Then you are ignorant of the facts.
North Americans consume more beef than anyone else. We have to reduce our consumption of it significantly compared to other areas of the world.
You're also ignorant of the environmental costs of factory farming cattle. It's bad. Very bad. The amount of grain and water it takes to grow a cow is insane. And the methane cows give off is significant enough to be a major GHG contributor. Then there's the rainforests being chopped down for pasture land.. etc. You are drastically underestimating the effects our model western diet has on the planet we all depend on for survival.
It's interesting that you proclaim me as ignorant over specifics which I have not yet commented on. Why don't you dispense with the constant inappropriate condescending disrespectful petty insults insinuations and name-calling and address the topic rather than the person.
If the methane produced by mamals (including the 7 billion human mamals on earth) is going to destroy the earth in a short time, then we're all doomed. Basically what's being said is that human mamals need to consume more of what causes bovine mamals to produce methane in the first place. Ironically foods like whole grains, vegetables and legumes ie a vegan diet causes humans to produce methane.
It seems you are also ignorant of the definition of the word ignorant & would rather jump to conclusions that look it up.
It's not condescending nor an insult to say that you literally have no knowledge of something - because, clearly, you do not know.
Even IF humans ate what cows do And we produced methane from it (it's not that simple since we don't eat what they do nor have their digestive systems & gas output) then at least it would be 1 animal on the planet doing it and not 2. But that's not anywhere close to the reality of the math.
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21 Jan 2019, 8:58 am
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Now desired controls over what people consume has also achieved doomsday status.
Again, are you just pretending to be stupid just to get a rise out of us?
Neither of course.
goldfish21 wrote:
Factory farming is a MASSIVE contributor to GHG's in our atmosphere. The planet cannot sustain raising that many animals for human consumption. It's a waste of grain & water that could feed everyone many times over.
Many people have been limiting or eliminating red meat and pork from their diet for a long time now anyways. I think the idea that the planet will be destroyed in a few years if everyone doesn't go vegan is a bit overstated.
Then you are ignorant of the facts.
North Americans consume more beef than anyone else. We have to reduce our consumption of it significantly compared to other areas of the world.
You're also ignorant of the environmental costs of factory farming cattle. It's bad. Very bad. The amount of grain and water it takes to grow a cow is insane. And the methane cows give off is significant enough to be a major GHG contributor. Then there's the rainforests being chopped down for pasture land.. etc. You are drastically underestimating the effects our model western diet has on the planet we all depend on for survival.
It's interesting that you proclaim me as ignorant over specifics which I have not yet commented on. Why don't you dispense with the constant inappropriate condescending disrespectful petty insults insinuations and name-calling and address the topic rather than the person.
If the methane produced by mamals (including the 7 billion human mamals on earth) is going to destroy the earth in a short time, then we're all doomed. Basically what's being said is that human mamals need to consume more of what causes bovine mamals to produce methane in the first place. Ironically foods like whole grains, vegetables and legumes ie a vegan diet causes humans to produce methane.
It seems you are also ignorant of the definition of the word ignorant & would rather jump to conclusions that look it up.
It's not condescending nor an insult to say that you literally have no knowledge of something - because, clearly, you do not know.
No it's not clear because I have not expounded on the subject. Unless an illogical conclusion has been made that if a person hasn't yet gone into detail about a subject, they must not know anything about it. It appears that you like to toss out words like ignorant immature and stupid to belittle and dismiss others.
goldfish21 wrote:
Even IF humans ate what cows do And we produced methane from it (it's not that simple since we don't eat what they do nor have their digestive systems & gas output) then at least it would be 1 animal on the planet doing it and not 2. But that's not anywhere close to the reality of the math.
Far as I know every land mamal expends methane through flatulation and defecation. That's my point. If that's going to bring about a global catastrophe, then the earth is doomed.
21 Jan 2019, 9:06 am
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21 Jan 2019, 9:19 am
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21 Jan 2019, 9:20 am
@EzraS Everything is about balance, an equilibrium. Nature never intended to sustain such massive cow populations. We did that via factory farming and threw things way out of whack.
kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m not going to spend my life just eating beans...that’s for sure!
No one said it’s all or nothing. It’s more like eat beef weekly vs daily.
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