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10 Nov 2018, 9:35 am

Trump, as usual, blames others for his own climate policy failures

Trump Threatens to Withhold Federal Payments to California, Claiming its Forest Management is "Poor"

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President Donald Trump is threatening to withhold federal payments to California, claiming its forest management is "so poor."

Trump says Saturday via Twiitter that "there is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly fires in California." Trump says "billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!"

The comments were Trump's first about massive wildfires, including a blaze that incinerated most of the Northern California town of Paradise and killed at least nine people.

Wildfires also raged in Southern California, including the town of Thousand Oaks, where a gunman days earlier killed a dozen people at a local bar.

Trump earlier issued an emergency declaration providing federal funds to help firefighters.



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10 Nov 2018, 10:00 am

Of course. They need that money for another tax cut for the already obscenely wealthy.
What a waste it would be to spend it on peasants.



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10 Nov 2018, 10:12 am

Can't argue with that.

Fire prevention should be obvious.


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10 Nov 2018, 11:56 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Can't argue with that.

Fire prevention should be obvious.


So the solution is to let people lose their homes and possibly their lives, and let millions of acres burn just so Trump can punish those blue west coasters?


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11 Nov 2018, 3:57 am

The politicisation of this deadly event greatly saddens me. I still believe the USA people generally are better than that.



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11 Nov 2018, 3:57 am

The politicisation of this deadly event greatly saddens me. I still believe the USA people generally are better than that.



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11 Nov 2018, 4:08 am

it has gone beyond politicization. one tribe wants the other tribe to be gone.



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11 Nov 2018, 4:09 am

at this point we're not far from our own "hutus vs. tutsis" deal.



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11 Nov 2018, 9:23 am

B19 wrote:
The politicisation of this deadly event greatly saddens me. I still believe the USA people generally are better than that.


This looks like a way for you to blame both sides.


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11 Nov 2018, 9:53 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Can't argue with that.

Fire prevention should be obvious.


So the solution is to let people lose their homes and possibly their lives, and let millions of acres burn just so Trump can punish those blue west coasters?

He's warning them to get their act together and take fire prevention seriously.

Watch for fire experts on tv, who will be telling us all the things they could do done to minimize this and save lives.


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11 Nov 2018, 10:05 am

Disgusting just disgusting.
So his policy is “ Let them burn.”


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11 Nov 2018, 10:06 am

Misslizard wrote:
Disgusting just disgusting.
So his policy is “ Let them burn.”

He's warning them to get their act together and take fire prevention seriously.

Watch for fire experts on tv, who will be telling us all the things they could do done to minimize this and save lives.

It's like if a child is failing in school, and needs a scolding.


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11 Nov 2018, 10:24 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Disgusting just disgusting.
So his policy is “ Let them burn.”

He's warning them to get their act together and take fire prevention seriously.

Watch for fire experts on tv, who will be telling us all the things they could do done to minimize this and save lives.

It's like if a child is failing in school, and needs a scolding.


As has been shown in the other thread, 57% of California's forests are owned by the federal government, which has redirected resources away from forest management.

So no, California is not like a child failing in school who needs a scolding from daddy Trump.


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11 Nov 2018, 1:58 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Can't argue with that.

Fire prevention should be obvious.


So the solution is to let people lose their homes and possibly their lives, and let millions of acres burn just so Trump can punish those blue west coasters?

He's warning them to get their act together and take fire prevention seriously.

Watch for fire experts on tv, who will be telling us all the things they could do done to minimize this and save lives.


I think Scrooge McTrump just wants to withhold federal money because he stingily likes to imagine it's actually his. That, and he wants to punish Jerry Brown and the state of California for not supporting him.


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11 Nov 2018, 2:58 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Disgusting just disgusting.
So his policy is “ Let them burn.”

He's warning them to get their act together and take fire prevention seriously.

Watch for fire experts on tv, who will be telling us all the things they could do done to minimize this and save lives.

It's like if a child is failing in school, and needs a scolding.


and what exactly is california failing at in this regard?


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11 Nov 2018, 4:00 pm

Kiprobalhato wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Disgusting just disgusting.
So his policy is “ Let them burn.”

He's warning them to get their act together and take fire prevention seriously.

Watch for fire experts on tv, who will be telling us all the things they could do done to minimize this and save lives.

It's like if a child is failing in school, and needs a scolding.


and what exactly is california failing at in this regard?

Looks like Trump and fire experts are saying California environmental laws are a factor.

Trump:"California wildfires were being magnified by environmental laws that “diverted” river water to the ocean but also said, 'Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!"

Trump:"The environmentalists are doing something very bad, they won’t let us take the logs, they won’t let us take the dead trees. If a little spark hits it, they lose 200,000 acres.”

Weird, those were prior tweets from Trump that actually predicted this fire.

"Experts point to a century’s worth of fire suppression as one factor in allowing forests to build up a dangerous amount of flammable material. Tom Bonnicksen, a retired forestry and wildfire expert who spent years researching fires in California, told The Chronicle that forests around Paradise contained about 2,000 trees per acre when he studied the area about a decade ago. A healthy forest should have between 60 and 80 trees per acre, he said".
https://www.sfchronicle.com/california- ... 380388.php


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