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17 Nov 2020, 10:35 pm

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Election officials in Michigan’s largest county abruptly reversed course on Tuesday night and certified the presidential election results, with Republican members of the board backtracking after initially blocking the decision.

The two Republicans on the four-member Wayne County board of canvassers — charged with validating the vote count — initially opposed certification and raised questions about mismatches between the totals submitted by local precincts and the final canvass. Less than two hours later, the Republicans joined their Democratic colleagues to unanimously certify the tally from the county, which includes Detroit, and called for Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to audit the mismatched precincts.

The board’s reversal quickly undercut celebrations among Trump allies who called the board’s initial 2-2 deadlock against certifying the results the beginning of a potential chain reaction that could flip the state into the president’s column — even though Joe Biden leads by more than 145,000 votes.

The board’s certification vote occurred just moments after Trump himself celebrated the initial vote with a tweet that praised the Republican canvassers’ “courage” for halting the certification.


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18 Nov 2020, 2:45 am

republicans backtracking after opposing the certification?

How stupid do the republicans take the public to be?



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18 Nov 2020, 9:54 am

Republicans opposing the certification in the first place?

How much more stupid can the Republicans' actions be?



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18 Nov 2020, 6:47 pm

Let's not forget Trump claiming there had been more votes than people on the electoral roll.

Even though that was complete bollocks.



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18 Nov 2020, 11:34 pm

It seems one of the board members has rescinded their vote to certify the results:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/img-201118215108%20%281%29.pdf

Whether this has any impact, I don't know, but the reasons given are interesting.

Edit: It seems both have done so:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/20201118184530537.pdf



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19 Nov 2020, 1:26 am

cyberdad wrote:
republicans backtracking after opposing the certification?

How stupid do the republicans take the public to be?


Someone became a millionaire by selling the "pet rock". It was a rock with 2 googley eyes on it. Carnival Cruise Lines has a history of HORRIBLE things happening on their cruises, A LOT. People still go on them. The public is more stupid than it wants to admit. That's what they're counting on when they try these things.

The ignorant are not properly vaccinated against bull$h!t. When you don't know how something works, bullsnot sounds more plausible, simply because you don't know any better. As long as it "makes sense" people will go along with it. When you have no idea how securely monitored EVERY step of voting is, it's easier to believe in the image of a masked miscreant tiptoeing into a completely unsecured room that just anyone can walk into, full of totally unorganized bins and bags of ballots, and dumping a pile of fake ballots in the names of dead people into the bins, and sneaking off, and NOBODY would EVER notice, muhaha, voter frawd accomplished!

Brictoria wrote:
It seems one of the board members has rescinded their vote to certify the results:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/img-201118215108%20%281%29.pdf

Whether this has any impact, I don't know, but the reasons given are interesting.

Edit: It seems both have done so:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/20201118184530537.pdf


So first they opposed it, then they approved it, now they've rescinded their approval. This proves what exactly? It's still a list of claims. An affidavit just means your claim has been officially noted and recorded, not that the claim has any truth or weight to it. The cool thing about an affidavit is, even it everything you say is an outright lie, if you use language like "I felt", "I thought", "it seemed", "I believed", and such, and avoid hard statements like "I witnessed", or "I found", even when everything you say turns out to be completely untrue, you still can't get in trouble for it, so long as you stick to the claim that you genuinely believed it in good faith at the time, and were merely doing your due diligence to duty.



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19 Nov 2020, 8:12 am

uncommondenominator wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
It seems one of the board members has rescinded their vote to certify the results:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/img-201118215108%20%281%29.pdf

Whether this has any impact, I don't know, but the reasons given are interesting.

Edit: It seems both have done so:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/20201118184530537.pdf


So first they opposed it, then they approved it, now they've rescinded their approval. This proves what exactly? It's still a list of claims. An affidavit just means your claim has been officially noted and recorded, not that the claim has any truth or weight to it. The cool thing about an affidavit is, even it everything you say is an outright lie, if you use language like "I felt", "I thought", "it seemed", "I believed", and such, and avoid hard statements like "I witnessed", or "I found", even when everything you say turns out to be completely untrue, you still can't get in trouble for it, so long as you stick to the claim that you genuinely believed it in good faith at the time, and were merely doing your due diligence to duty.


An example of the difference between
Reporting - providing information, without passing any judgement on what was included.
and
Opinion - Making assumptions and subjective judgements regarding an interpretation of the supplied information.

As I had noted, I don't know what effect (if any) the rescinding of the previous approval could have, but posted about it, being relevent to the topic under discussion, in order to ensure people were aware of the information, particularly as it is not the type of information that many media sources will be likely to report on. Should it have some impact on future events it is better that people are aware of this, rather than it come as a surprise at that time...If nothing changes as a result of the information held within the affidavits, nothing was lost by people having been supplied the information.



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19 Nov 2020, 12:48 pm

Led By Giuliani, Trump Campaign Effort To Stop Certification Falters In Pennsylvania

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Things did not go well Tuesday for the Trump campaign's effort to stop certification of the Pennsylvania vote count — which has Joe Biden ahead by more than 73,000 votes.

At almost the same time that the president's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, was in federal court in Williamsport, Pa., complaining that Republican observers were illegally denied access to vote counting in Philadelphia and other Democratic areas, the state Supreme Court in Harrisburg concluded otherwise. By a 5-2 vote, it ruled that Philadelphia election officials had acted properly in their handling of the observation process.

The Trump campaign had argued that GOP representatives were kept too far away to see whether there were any irregularities, but the court said they were able to view election workers "performing their duties," as required.

It was a major loss for the president and his campaign's flailing effort to overturn the election results. Republicans have filed suits in several states seeking to invalidate thousands of votes, but have lost almost every case so far.

Several legal experts said this week that they see no way at this point for Republicans to change the outcome of the election.

"There is no path," University of California, Irvine law professor Rick Hasen wrote on his blog Monday. "Rudy Giuliani can say what he wants and the president can keep declaring that he's won, but there's no plausible legal way this election gets overturned. We are not talking three Hail Marys anymore. We are talking done."

Sarcasm below:
These deep state people must be some skilled conspirators to get poll workers, judges, and republican election officials in multiple states in on it.


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19 Nov 2020, 3:39 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Sarcasm below:
These deep state people must be some skilled conspirators to get poll workers, judges, and republican election officials in multiple states in on it.


My mind is blown, apparently your country has partisan groups who oversee election counting. Apparently this information has bypassed all the security channels and mutli-billion dollar budget of the FBI and has been discovered by somebody sitting in their basement in sunny Melbourne!

Alas if only the republicans could draw on this "intelligence"



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19 Nov 2020, 3:58 pm

cyberdad wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Sarcasm below:
These deep state people must be some skilled conspirators to get poll workers, judges, and republican election officials in multiple states in on it.


My mind is blown, apparently your country has partisan groups who oversee election counting. Apparently this information has bypassed all the security channels and mutli-billion dollar budget of the FBI and has been discovered by somebody sitting in their basement in sunny Melbourne!

Alas if only the republicans could draw on this "intelligence"


Facts have a well-known liberal bias. Just like all of the state level Republicans who aren't helping Trump steal the election. Anyone who doesn't support the steal is a liberal RINO or a commie.


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19 Nov 2020, 4:44 pm

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Facts have a well-known liberal bias. Just like all of the state level Republicans who aren't helping Trump steal the election. Anyone who doesn't support the steal is a liberal RINO or a commie.


Oh heavens no! not a commie! I thought Ronnie Reagan got rid of those.



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19 Nov 2020, 9:53 pm

Judges toss Republican lawsuits in Arizona, Pennsylvania and Georgia

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State judges in Arizona and Pennsylvania and a federal judge in Georgia rejected election-related lawsuits Thursday from Republicans and the Trump campaign.

The hat trick of losses were the latest round of defeats for the Trump campaign in its long-shot and increasingly far-fetched bid to block President-elect Joe Biden's win before the Electoral College certifies him as the next president.

One of the judges, a Trump appointee in Georgia, called the attempt by Republican-allied lawyers to block election results "quite striking," refusing their attempt to stop Biden's win there.

In Arizona, a state judge declined to audit votes in the state and delay the finalization of results, saying the lawsuit couldn't be retooled and brought again. And in Pennsylvania, a state judge ordered the counting of more than absentee 2,000 ballots the Trump campaign wanted to exclude.

The rulings came with only a few hours between them on Thursday.


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20 Nov 2020, 2:21 pm

Brictoria wrote:
uncommondenominator wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
It seems one of the board members has rescinded their vote to certify the results:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/img-201118215108%20%281%29.pdf

Whether this has any impact, I don't know, but the reasons given are interesting.

Edit: It seems both have done so:
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/20201118184530537.pdf


So first they opposed it, then they approved it, now they've rescinded their approval. This proves what exactly? It's still a list of claims. An affidavit just means your claim has been officially noted and recorded, not that the claim has any truth or weight to it. The cool thing about an affidavit is, even it everything you say is an outright lie, if you use language like "I felt", "I thought", "it seemed", "I believed", and such, and avoid hard statements like "I witnessed", or "I found", even when everything you say turns out to be completely untrue, you still can't get in trouble for it, so long as you stick to the claim that you genuinely believed it in good faith at the time, and were merely doing your due diligence to duty.


An example of the difference between
Reporting - providing information, without passing any judgement on what was included.
and
Opinion - Making assumptions and subjective judgements regarding an interpretation of the supplied information.

As I had noted, I don't know what effect (if any) the rescinding of the previous approval could have, but posted about it, being relevent to the topic under discussion, in order to ensure people were aware of the information, particularly as it is not the type of information that many media sources will be likely to report on. Should it have some impact on future events it is better that people are aware of this, rather than it come as a surprise at that time...If nothing changes as a result of the information held within the affidavits, nothing was lost by people having been supplied the information.


But the information I provided is not an assumption or a judgment. It is information. It IS just a list of claims, and that IS how an affidavit works. These are not "assumptions" about what "might" be - these are actual facts regarding how those actual concepts operate. No judgement or assumption needed.

In other words, you'll spread anything you find so long as it's "relevant" (in your judgement / opinion), even if it means spreading inaccurate information or propaganda, because "I'm helping!". Whether or not you're actually "helping", regardless of your intent, most certainly IS a judgement and a matter of opinion, in both directions. Even if you THINK you are, others might THINK you aren't.



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20 Nov 2020, 4:30 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Facts have a well-known liberal bias. Just like all of the state level Republicans who aren't helping Trump steal the election. Anyone who doesn't support the steal is a liberal RINO or a commie.
Oh heavens no! not a commie! I thought Ronnie Reagan got rid of those.
Where is Tail-Gunner Joe when we need him?

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