Facebook Bans Holocaust Denial, Reversing Earlier Policy

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To think that some people really believe that it did not happen.
Just found out that there have been MULTIPLE attempts to have Anne Frank’s Diary declared a fraud, and that she never existed.
Seriously.

First time I ever heard about Holocaust denial was in 2007 when someone joined here talking about it and then they were banned and then they came to intensity squared and talked about it there and also got banned there as well shockingly since they were all for free speech and the place was unmoderated. There were no rules.

This user linked to all these pages about it and I was shocked there were people that thought it never happened.

I know for a fact in some EU countries, even asking questions about it like "How were they able to kill 6,000 inmates in one day" can come off as questioning the Holocausts and getting you arrested since Holocausts denial is illegal.

I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that `the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda.’ Some members of the visiting party were unable to through the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton’s headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.

- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1948

In other words: Eisenhower predicted Holocaust denial almost the instant he witnessed the Holocaust.

And if he hadn't taken steps to document the Holocaust in detail, who knows how much of it would have been covered up?

Right after the Jews were freed, the Nazis did try to cover their tracks by destroying the gas chambers at some camps.

Obviously they knew what they did was horrible or they wouldn't have tried to cover their tracks.

Great find.
A very belated thank you to Ike

Nazi's had a strange belief system that mostly was diametrically opposed to values that are promoted by Abraham-ic religions.

The Nazi value / belief system was a strange concoction and combination of ancient mythology coming from numerous ancient glorified "great" civilisations such as the ancient Greeks, Romans and Norse civilisations.

If you examine these civilisations in detail, you will see that they often were very prolific in their endeavours to conquer and take charge of other people's lands through violent conquest (war).

Many of these civilisations also prescribed to archaic magical practices and beliefs.
Among those who prescribe to bizarre magical practices, the train of thought of using ones own intellect to attain what they desire over good old fashion honest work, speech and dealings was favoured.

In short, the nazi's heavily used dishonest means to aquire or achieve their desired outcomes and when unfavourable circumstances pointed towards their own guilt, they would use the same dishonest skills in manipulation (misinformation, disinformation, propaganda, smear) to achieve their desired results.

I believe Hitler wrote extensively on his strategies to pull the wool over the worlds eyes.
Taught by his mentor, Dietrick Eckhart, famous political agitator and propaganderist, who has as much to blame for the second world war as Hitler did, for mentoring Hitler and brainwashing his racism in him.

The Nazi regime was in short, criminal in nature.

Excellent analysis and explanation; thatyou.

There is an extremely interesting documentary on how the Nazis built a concentration camp on Alderney island (British colony of the coast of France). Prior to D-Day the nazis raised the camp and murdered the remaining prisoners completely destroying all record the camp existing.

An archaeological team have detected mass graves using ground penetrating Lidar (radar) but have been forbidden to dig by the island's residents (who are English) who apparently do not want publicity or questions about whether British residents stood by while the SS ran a concentration camp under their noses.

The Nazis were not just meticulous note keepers they also erased all memory of war crimes when they ran from allied troops which is now suggesting the real numbers killed by the SS could actually be higher than 6 million based on archeological digs that suggests the actual number of camps could have numbered in the 10s of thousands.

That isn't even counting the non-Jewish victims.

And I've heard of the Alderney camp.

Sounds like this one: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7cztfb
Also, this National Geographic page.

It's astonishing how Facebook/Zuckerberg felt there was a need to go away and think about making this decision.

Zuckerberg said his thinking has "evolved" because of data showing an increase in anti-Semitic violence. Ah right, so there's some optimal level of anti-Semitic activity which is Ok, but once it goes past a certain level only then do you feel a need to act?

If one is the recipient of any sort of physical attack----anti-Semitic, or otherwise----one tends not to really think of something like an "optimal amount of anti-Semitic activity" or an "optimal amount" of robberies in any given area.

When you have teeth knocked out, you tend not to think in abstractions or statistics.

This doesnt make sense.

Aldernay is one of the Channel Islands (British, but closer to France than to Britain). Along with Jersey and Guernsey.

The Germans occupied it when France fell, but the British citizens had all been evacuated to Britain already.

The SS imported slave laborers (Poles, Russians, and Jews from occupied mainland Europe) to build fortifications for the island as part of Hitler's "west wall".

After the allies landed at D-Day and began sweeping east across France toward Germany the allies assumed that the Germans on little isolated Aldernay would surrender quickly. But the SS garrison fanatically held out (despite being starved by blockades by the British navy)and didnt surrender until a few days AFTER Berlin itself surrendered.

There were visible graves all over the island in 1945, and apparently they have now just discovered these invisible mass graves that you're talking about. That much makes sense. But the victims were not "English", there were no English folks there to be exectuted because they had all been evacuated, but were likely the Jews from mainland Europe, and Poles and Russians. And even if there had been British residence there, so what if the SS were running a death camp under their noses? There would have been nothing they could have done about it anyway, but be martyrs and be sent to the same said death camps by the SS if they had tried to stop it. So you will hafta elaborate.

Yes indeed, exactly. But Zuckerberg was apparently content to allow anti-Semitic activity on Facebook - until now, but he needed to see an increase in it before acting.

I think that Zuckerberg meant anti semitic activity in ...the world...at large... is upward trending. Not on Facebook.

Though that is probably also happening. Ergo his former ideal of pure free speech can no longer be held.

No the documentary made it clear the Nazi propoganda films showed many British citizens were left behind including the police constabulary who appeared to be collaborating with the Nazis (perhaps under duress since they would have had no choice).



The documentray film-maker Caroline Colls (working for national geographic) was unable to dig the mass graves which she and her team picked up using remote Lidar detection because the local inhabitants refused to give permission
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/hist ... eologists/

You need to watch the video as the transcript doesn't convey clearly that the residents and the local government on Alderney refused to grant permission to dig because "they wanted to put the past behind" despite the fact the mass grave was hiding an unknown war crime.