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28 Sep 2020, 1:33 pm

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/9/2 ... h-flare-up

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28 Sep 2020, 1:34 pm

War? In the Middle East?

How unusual... :roll:

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28 Sep 2020, 1:37 pm

Is Caucassus Middle East?

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28 Sep 2020, 1:41 pm

Fun fact 1: Azerbaijan is the 2nd largest Shia Muslim country after Iran, yet always been in bad term with Iran.

Fun fact 2: Turkey is supporting now Azerbaijan; while Iran is supporting Armenia.

Fun fact 3: Azeri Iranians (ethnically people of Azerbaijan) constitute about 25% of Iran's population; and Iran faced a backlash from them in the past for supporting Armenia in an earlier conflict.

Bonus fun fact: The Ottoman empire is coming back to life while we speak; through military bases, puppet governments and proxy militias.

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28 Sep 2020, 1:43 pm

Fnord wrote:

War? In the Middle East?

How unusual... :roll:

First war with COVID-19, that's new.

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28 Sep 2020, 1:49 pm

Actually, the disputed territory is inhabited mainly by christian Armenians.
I wonder where Russian little green people emerge.

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28 Sep 2020, 1:52 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Oh , I forgot to add another fact:

While most Azeris are Shia Muslims, like Iranians, yet they are culturally closer to the Turks; they are a Turkic ethnicity themselves, and they speak a Turkic language, not Turkish, but a relative to it, the two languages are mutually intelligible as like two dialects of a same language.

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28 Sep 2020, 1:53 pm

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Actually, the disputed territory is inhabited mainly by christian Armenians.
I wonder where Russian little green people emerge.

Fun fact: the root of this s**t conflict is Russia!

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28 Sep 2020, 2:15 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/9/28/dozens-dead-as-world-leaders-call-for-halt-to-karabakh-flare-up

I have been following this on Reuters and actually posted about this a few months ago in this news forum.

It's looking like a tough situation that will have no fast fix.

I'm glad you posted,international stories never get a great response on this news forum,I've been posting on the crisis in Belarus and can't get anyone to respond.Let's hope you have better luck.

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28 Sep 2020, 2:26 pm

A bit of geopolitics:

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Nato member-state Turkey was the first nation to recognise Azerbaijan's independence in 1991. Former Azeri President Heydar Aliyev once described the two as "one nation with two states". Both share a Turkic culture and populations, and Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has pledged his nation's support for Azerbaijan.
Moreover, Turkey has no official relations with Armenia. In 1993 Turkey shut its border with Armenia in support of Azerbaijan during the war over Nagorno-Karabakh.
Armenia meanwhile has good relations with Russia. There is a Russian military base in Armenia, and both are members of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) military alliance. However, President Vladimir Putin also has good relations with Azerbaijan, and Moscow has called for a ceasefire.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54324772

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28 Sep 2020, 2:27 pm

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Is Caucassus Middle East?

I wouldn't say so but I'm not an expert,I would say Central Asia.Central Asia for sure.

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28 Sep 2020, 2:35 pm

I have a feeling Armenia is in better shape,I think Russia and Georgia will side with Armenia and Iran with Azerbaijan but Russia will over power Iran.We know Iran is trying to enrich uranium but there not stupid enough to do something stupid.

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28 Sep 2020, 4:43 pm

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Is Caucassus Middle East?

Yes. I would consider it to be the middle east. The region was ruled first by Czars and then by the Soviets for a long time so the region did noy participate in middle eastern politics much. But racially, geographically, ethnically, and religiously its very much part of Asia, and the Middle East, and not part of Europe. More like a group of Asian former colonies of a European power (ie Russia) like India and Pakistan are former colonies of Britain.

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28 Sep 2020, 5:09 pm

Here's hoping things calm down in the coming weeks. This conflict has been stewing for a long, long time. The last thing we need in the caucasus is a war--let alone a war involving outside powers. It seems the most likely blocs would be Armenia supported by fellow orthodox christians Russia and Georgia with Turkey and maybe Iran supporting Azerbaijan.
Turkey sure has been stirring up trouble in the region. This is only going to add fuel to their disputes with Greece. Hell I could see Greece getting involved in some capacity. They share the same anti-Turkish sentiment as the Armenians. Shared experiences of genocide at Ottoman and Turkish nationalist hands will do that.

(Also it may be better to be more specific in the topic title. Sadly most people are unaware of the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh and may assume America and not Armenia)

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28 Sep 2020, 5:26 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Fun fact 2: Turkey is supporting Azerbaijan; while Iran is supporting Armenia.

Turkey hates everything Armenian. They will never acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
Iran is probably supporting Armenia because they have to pick a side. They're not too friendly to Armenians either.

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29 Sep 2020, 2:09 am

naturalplastic wrote:

magz wrote:

Is Caucassus Middle East?

They're both Eurasian and Middle eastern countries; they are not located in "Central Asia" , however the Turks and Azeris have cultural ties with Central Asia, it's their original forefathers' homeland.

The ancient land of Turkey was for a Greek nation (Roman Greeks, known as Byzantines) , while the present population are a mix of descendants of the invaders who came from Central Asia and probably remnant byzantines who converted to Islam. Turkey is like America, they are not the true natives of the land. :lol:

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