W.H.O. - COVID-19 may become endemic, not “the big one”

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29 Dec 2020, 2:24 pm

The coronavirus pandemic is “not necessarily the big one,” senior W.H.O. official says.

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One of the World Health Organization’s senior officials warned on Monday that although the coronavirus pandemic has been “very severe,” it is “not necessarily the big one.”

Reflecting on the year in the W.H.O.’s final media briefing of 2020, the head of the emergencies program, Michael Ryan, said that his words may come as a shock.

“These threats will continue,” Dr. Ryan said. “If there’s one thing we need to take from this pandemic with all the tragedy and loss is that we need to get our act together.

Dr. Ryan acknowledged that much progress has been made on improving how we communicate and govern during this pandemic.

David Heymann, the chair of the W.H.O.’s strategic and technical advisory group for infectious hazards, predicted that SARS-CoV-2, the novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19, would become endemic, like the other human coronaviruses such as SARS and MERS that have spread in recent years.

Coronavirus vaccination programs, the W.H.O. said, would be integral to saving lives and protecting vulnerable people.


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29 Dec 2020, 2:33 pm

A lot of people don't see covid as being the big one. They're thinking, "if they're taking these kinds of measures for this, what are they going to do if the big one hits? Put us all in cryogenic tubes until it's over?"



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29 Dec 2020, 2:35 pm

With the size of world population and ease of travel, I expect covid19 not to be the last pandemic in my lifetime.
It's a bit disturbing how poor the Western response to it is.


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29 Dec 2020, 2:49 pm

magz wrote:
With the size of world population and ease of travel, I expect covid19 not to be the last pandemic in my lifetime.
It's a bit disturbing how poor the Western response to it is.


Exactly.

It's just preview of ...coming attractions :D !

And for the reasons you said. Both population size, and ease of travel. And the ever increasing pace of globalization, and trade.



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29 Dec 2020, 2:55 pm

Just think of rats. Many rats today are genetically very resistant to various poisons because the genetically susceptible rats have already been killed off. So, the genetic variants likely to survive are also the most dangerous ones.

Evolutionary pressure applies to viral outbreaks - just as it does to rats. So the next viral epidemic will likely be one with a genetic variant that can bypass the countermeasures we are now putting in place to ward of COVID-19.

Perhaps the next viral epidemic will be a nasty long-range airborne virus with a 95 percent fatality rate, capable of surviving in both the Sahara Desert and in the Antarctic, being transmitted across humans, livestock, YouTube videos and pets, and with a 28 week asymptotic *and* highly infectuous incubation time.



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29 Dec 2020, 6:56 pm

GGPViper wrote:
Just think of rats. Many rats today are genetically very resistant to various poisons because the genetically susceptible rats have already been killed off. So, the genetic variants likely to survive are also the most dangerous ones.

Evolutionary pressure applies to viral outbreaks - just as it does to rats. So the next viral epidemic will likely be one with a genetic variant that can bypass the countermeasures we are now putting in place to ward of COVID-19.

Perhaps the next viral epidemic will be a nasty long-range airborne virus with a 95 percent fatality rate, capable of surviving in both the Sahara Desert and in the Antarctic, being transmitted across humans, livestock, YouTube videos and pets, and with a 28 week asymptotic *and* highly infectuous incubation time.


When that happens, I'll blame Joe Biden.



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29 Dec 2020, 6:58 pm

Why would you blame Joe Biden?



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29 Dec 2020, 7:00 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Why would you blame Joe Biden?


I wouldn't. I just thought that sounded funny. Hopefully I got a little snort out of someone.



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29 Dec 2020, 7:43 pm

magz wrote:
With the size of world population and ease of travel, I expect covid19 not to be the last pandemic in my lifetime.
It's a bit disturbing how poor the Western response to it is.


China* has blessed us with 3 recent viruses.
I am confident they will continue to share the gift, as they did this time, so the entire world can enjoy the fun. [do I need to indicate 'sarcasm'?]

Next time, close the borders fast, even if people call us xenophobic. 8)

1.8 million, and counting.

GGPViper wrote:
Just think of rats. Many rats today are genetically very resistant to various poisons because the genetically susceptible rats have already been killed off. So, the genetic variants likely to survive are also the most dangerous ones.

Evolutionary pressure applies to viral outbreaks - just as it does to rats. So the next viral epidemic will likely be one with a genetic variant that can bypass the countermeasures we are now putting in place to ward of COVID-19.


But not by design, right?
Simply pure chance. 8)

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Perhaps the next viral epidemic will be a nasty long-range airborne virus with a 95 percent fatality rate, capable of surviving in both the Sahara Desert and in the Antarctic, being transmitted across humans, livestock, YouTube videos and pets, and with a 28 week asymptotic *and* highly infectuous incubation time.


It is possible.
Never underestimate the ingenuity of biological scientists. 8)



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29 Dec 2020, 7:44 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
A lot of people don't see covid as being the big one. They're thinking, "if they're taking these kinds of measures for this, what are they going to do if the big one hits? Put us all in cryogenic tubes until it's over?"


A very sensible and pragmatic suggestion.
"Beam me up, Scotty." :mrgreen:



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29 Dec 2020, 7:48 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Why would you blame Joe Biden?


I wouldn't. I just thought that sounded funny. Hopefully I got a little snort out of someone.


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31 Dec 2020, 5:29 pm

I have high hopes that I will live through this.


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31 Dec 2020, 6:04 pm

As time passes, the virus will gradually mutate as it infects more humans. How it mutates and what effects change are anybody’s guesses at this point. However it could be directed under the right conditions, such as in a laboratory. Yes, this can lead humanity down a very dark path. The world almost took that path in WWII on both sides.

I think that the worst versions will be those that can combine with other viruses to create something that we have never experienced. For example, if one was able to combine this virus genetic coding with one like HIV, it may create a new one that has all of the bad habits built in. One could theoretically create a more deadlier, non-STD version of HIV that could be spread via airborne droplets with a much higher infection rate. The disease it causes could become drug resistant for what we currently have available. It would be a modern version of a bubonic plaque, but without a real cure. I would call that one the “Big One”.

For the record, I try to avoid playing in this area of biochemistry for that specific reason.



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31 Dec 2020, 6:29 pm

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More than 1.7 million people worldwide have died this year from Covid-19


This is worldwide. With a population of nearly 8 Billion. Was any of this worth it? And will it ever end? They might say we can't "go back to normal" until the whole world is vaccinated. And most of you seem fine with this. Very strange.



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31 Dec 2020, 7:27 pm

https://www.bitchute.com/embed/Hmxo720ccw4V

Michael Fumento, 02.05.2010, 04:35 PM EST wrote:
Why The WHO Faked A Pandemic

The World Health Organization has suddenly gone from crying "The sky is falling!" like a cackling Chicken Little to squealing like a stuck pig. The reason: charges that the agency deliberately fomented swine flu hysteria. "The world is going through a real pandemic. The description of it as a fake is wrong and irresponsible," the agency claims on its Web site. A WHO spokesman declined to specify who or what gave this "description," but the primary accuser is hard to ignore.

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), a human rights watchdog, is publicly investigating the WHO's motives in declaring a pandemic. Indeed, the chairman of its influential health committee, epidemiologist Wolfgang Wodarg, has declared that the "false pandemic" is "one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century."

Even within the agency, the director of the WHO Collaborating Center for Epidemiology in Munster, Germany, Dr. Ulrich Kiel, has essentially labeled the pandemic a hoax. "We are witnessing a gigantic misallocation of resources [$18 billion so far] in terms of public health," he said.

They're right. This wasn't merely overcautiousness or simple misjudgment. The pandemic declaration and all the Klaxon-ringing since reflect sheer dishonesty motivated not by medical concerns but political ones.

Unquestionably, swine flu has proved to be vastly milder than ordinary seasonal flu. It kills at a third to a tenth the rate, according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates. Data from other countries like France and Japan indicate it's far tamer than that.

Indeed, judging by what we've seen in New Zealand and Australia (where the epidemics have ended), and by what we're seeing elsewhere in the world, we'll have considerably fewer flu deaths this season than normal. That's because swine flu muscles aside seasonal flu, acting as a sort of inoculation against the far deadlier strain.

Did the WHO have any indicators of this mildness when it declared the pandemic in June?

Absolutely, as I wrote at the time. We were then fully 11 weeks into the outbreak and swine flu had only killed 144 people worldwide--the same number who die of seasonal flu worldwide every few hours. (An estimated 250,000 to 500,000 per year by the WHO's own numbers.) The mildest pandemics of the 20th century killed at least a million people.

But how could the organization declare a pandemic when its own official definition required "simultaneous epidemics worldwide with enormous numbers of deaths and illness." Severity--that is, the number of deaths--is crucial, because every year flu causes "a global spread of disease."

Easy. In May, in what it admitted was a direct response to the outbreak of swine flu the month before, WHO promulgated a new definition matched to swine flu that simply eliminated severity as a factor. You could now have a pandemic with zero deaths.

Under fire, the organization is boldly lying about the change, to which anybody with an Internet connection can attest. In a mid-January virtual conference WHO swine flu chief Keiji Fukuda stated: "Did WHO change its definition of a pandemic? The answer is no: WHO did not change its definition." Two weeks later at a PACE conference he insisted: "Having severe deaths has never been part of the WHO definition."

They did it; but why?

In part, it was CYA for the WHO. The agency was losing credibility over the refusal of avian flu H5N1 to go pandemic and kill as many as 150 million people worldwide, as its "flu czar" had predicted in 2005.

Around the world nations heeded the warnings and spent vast sums developing vaccines and making other preparations. So when swine flu conveniently trotted in, the WHO essentially crossed out "avian," inserted "swine," and WHO Director-General Margaret Chan arrogantly boasted, "The world can now reap the benefits of investments over the last five years in pandemic preparedness."

But there's more than bureaucratic self-interest at work here. Bizarrely enough, the WHO has also exploited its phony pandemic to push a hard left political agenda.

In a September speech WHO Director-General Chan said "ministers of health" should take advantage of the "devastating impact" swine flu will have on poorer nations to get out the message that "changes in the functioning of the global economy" are needed to "distribute wealth on the basis of" values "like community, solidarity, equity and social justice." She further declared it should be used as a weapon against "international policies and systems that govern financial markets, economies, commerce, trade and foreign affairs."

Chan's dream now lies in tatters. All the WHO has done, says PACE's Wodart, is to destroy "much of the credibility that they should have, which is invaluable to us if there's a future scare that might turn out to be a killer on a large scale."