Mandatory COVID Passports and Passports in General

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15 Dec 2021, 2:04 pm

OK, seeing as Austria is to enforce rules that people will be fined 3,600 euros a quarter if they don't get vaccinated (That's £3068, or $4053 USD) and jailed if they don't pay it...

And Boris Johnson wants to get rid of passports for illegal drug users, including Middle Class drug users (??) as well as targeting others the new rules say won't be allowed in this country anymore.

...And wants to introduce COVID passports to the UK (A lot of tories rebelled against this, including left-wing Corbyn. Pig Starmer and his lot supported it, and since I'm leftwing, I'm very disappointed in Labour)...

How can anybody not believe that is this an outrageous and totalitarian state, moving in very fast?

I'm also beginning to believe that Brexit was an excellent idea. Although if the above is happening in Austria, I'm sure the UK will eventually do the same.

They're killing peoples' freedoms. It's a serious breach of human rights. I'm genuinely scared. I hope the protests will get so great that they stop with this operation. Taking away human rights, monitoring people and forcing them to get vaccines is a far worse case scenario than COVID itself. It says Big Brother all over. They're using this pandemic to control people, ID them, and treat them all as criminals.

Of course, the above is all my opinion. That is what I believe is happening, though, and that everybody should fight it at every chance they get.


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15 Dec 2021, 2:53 pm

For once, it would be nice to have some replies in this particular sub forum please.


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15 Dec 2021, 3:15 pm

So you're okay with yourself, and everyone else in Europe coming down with covid, and swamping the hospitals, and collapsing the hospital system?



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15 Dec 2021, 3:40 pm

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

One road led to the dictator's lair,
And the other to a pestilent grave
Long I waited, to be fair
To see which my life to save
With no counsel or comfort to share...



Basically, we either endure these "dictatorships" or die.



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15 Dec 2021, 4:08 pm

At the time the UK government were telling the public that
passports were being scrapped, they were already setting
in motion the plans to introduce them in December.

Watch this video from October:




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15 Dec 2021, 4:33 pm

Fnord wrote:
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

One road led to the dictator's lair,
And the other to a pestilent grave
Long I waited, to be fair
To see which my life to save
With no counsel or comfort to share...



Basically, we either endure these "dictatorships" or die.


Despite our views being quite different, I do like that poem and appreciate your contribution.


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15 Dec 2021, 4:42 pm

smudge wrote:
OK, seeing as Austria is to enforce rules that people will be fined 3,600 euros a quarter if they don't get vaccinated (That's £3068, or $4053 USD) and jailed if they don't pay it...

And Boris Johnson wants to get rid of passports for illegal drug users, including Middle Class drug users (??) as well as targeting others the new rules say won't be allowed in this country anymore.

...And wants to introduce COVID passports to the UK (A lot of tories rebelled against this, including left-wing Corbyn. Pig Starmer and his lot supported it, and since I'm leftwing, I'm very disappointed in Labour)...

How can anybody not believe that is this an outrageous and totalitarian state, moving in very fast?

I'm also beginning to believe that Brexit was an excellent idea. Although if the above is happening in Austria, I'm sure the UK will eventually do the same.

They're killing peoples' freedoms. It's a serious breach of human rights. I'm genuinely scared. I hope the protests will get so great that they stop with this operation. Taking away human rights, monitoring people and forcing them to get vaccines is a far worse case scenario than COVID itself. It says Big Brother all over. They're using this pandemic to control people, ID them, and treat them all as criminals.

Of course, the above is all my opinion. That is what I believe is happening, though, and that everybody should fight it at every chance they get.

It is a bluff. have you ever looked into spare prison capacity.

Some people said that 2-3% of society can rule it if they want to. Dmocracy is not a thing and 2% can rule if they band together and demand action.



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15 Dec 2021, 4:57 pm

Good point. There are few jails. There's 99% of us and 1-2% of them. Even 2% of us with the power can make a difference.


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15 Dec 2021, 5:01 pm

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15 Dec 2021, 5:26 pm

I am not against vaccination per se, however if coofid passports are required, I refuse to show them on principle.One doesn't understand the obsession with cause that autism causes.



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15 Dec 2021, 5:30 pm

NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
I am not against vaccination per se, however if coofid passports are required, I refuse to show them on principle.One doesn't understand the obsession with cause that autism causes.
Hiding behind autism as a principle will not excuse you from either showing your covid passport or being quarantined.



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15 Dec 2021, 5:34 pm

Fnord wrote:
NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
I am not against vaccination per se, however if coofid passports are required, I refuse to show them on principle.One doesn't understand the obsession with cause that autism causes.
Hiding behind autism as a principle will not excuse you from either showing your covid passport or being quarantined.

Man, I hate normies with their sheepishness, I don't say that coolfid is not a serious disease for some and I tell ppl to get vacccinted.

However the whole vaccination requirement just isn't right. And autism is no excuse in countries that demand coofid passport anyway. Bars require them in my country but I ever visit them anyway,



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15 Dec 2021, 5:38 pm

NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
I am not against vaccination per se, however if coofid passports are required, I refuse to show them on principle.One doesn't understand the obsession with cause that autism causes.
Hiding behind autism as a principle will not excuse you from either showing your covid passport or being quarantined.
Man, I hate normies with their sheepishness, I don't say that coolfid is not a serious disease for some and I tell ppl to get vacccinted.  However the whole vaccination requirement just isn't right.  And autism is no excuse in countries that demand coofid passport anyway. Bars require them in my country but I ever visit them anyway,
First of all, it is COVID.  Second, COVID will not be defeated as long as people refuse the vaccine.  Third, there seem to be no "normies" posting in this thread.

Have you ever thought of investing in a spelling checker for your web-browser?



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15 Dec 2021, 6:04 pm

NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
I am not against vaccination per se, however if coofid passports are required, I refuse to show them on principle.One doesn't understand the obsession with cause that autism causes.
Hiding behind autism as a principle will not excuse you from either showing your covid passport or being quarantined.

Man, I hate normies with their sheepishness, I don't say that coolfid is not a serious disease for some and I tell ppl to get vacccinted.

However the whole vaccination requirement just isn't right. And autism is no excuse in countries that demand coofid passport anyway. Bars require them in my country but I ever visit them anyway,


I'm wondering if this is going to turn out like an existing "conspiracy theory" and spread out to basic necessities like supermarkets and all shops in general. It looks like it might go that way to me.


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16 Dec 2021, 8:24 am

smudge wrote:
NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
NoMoreRegrets94 wrote:
I am not against vaccination per se, however if coofid passports are required, I refuse to show them on principle.One doesn't understand the obsession with cause that autism causes.
Hiding behind autism as a principle will not excuse you from either showing your covid passport or being quarantined.

Man, I hate normies with their sheepishness, I don't say that coolfid is not a serious disease for some and I tell ppl to get vacccinted.

However the whole vaccination requirement just isn't right. And autism is no excuse in countries that demand coofid passport anyway. Bars require them in my country but I ever visit them anyway,


I'm wondering if this is going to turn out like an existing "conspiracy theory" and spread out to basic necessities like supermarkets and all shops in general. It looks like it might go that way to me.


It will go further than that. You won't be able to get employment. You'll basically live like a Jew' if you don't accept a vaccine. The Nazis will freeze you out of society.



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16 Dec 2021, 8:54 am

Covid passports are a tricky one. Working around vulnerable people, yes but everything else no.

I think government, citizens and scientists need an honest debate about this vaccine too. 100 million jabs
in the UK within the space of a year and covid is still running riot. Why do people need covid passports when the jab seems to do nothing anyway at preventing spread. I think they need to admit that like the flu jab, it's only really useful for vulnerable groups and nothing more. It's only been 6 months since my most recent jab and im already being faced with being socially ostracized

Among my similarly aged peers, discontent for the jab is growing very quickly as far as I'm being told.