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19 Jun 2023, 7:27 pm

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ti ... xpeditions


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19 Jun 2023, 8:53 pm

No beacon, emergency signal? If not, I'm guessing the technology went down. Terrible! Whatever happened, I hope at least there's no water pouring in. They'll just go to sleep at the bottom of the sea, that's some small consolation. Though admittedly not much...


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19 Jun 2023, 9:01 pm

What a horrible way to go.
Sympathy for their families and friends.


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19 Jun 2023, 10:13 pm

It’s Possible that only the comms & beacon are down.. but more probable that the entire thing has completely imploded under pressure and everyone was crushed to death instantly. Such is the nature of physics at 4km below the ocean’s surface.


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19 Jun 2023, 10:19 pm

I read the article you posted, it did not indicate that this was a maiden voyage. Strange to implode if they've pulled it off before successfully, but possible.


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19 Jun 2023, 10:26 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
I read the article you posted, it did not indicate that this was a maiden voyage. Strange to implode if they've pulled it off before successfully, but possible.


The interesting bit in the article was about the use of carbon fibre instead of titanium for everything. Makes me wonder if there was a flaw or stress fracture in a carbon fibre structure, or if it got damaged somehow, and then failed in a situation where solid titanium would have held.

It is just a guess, but, based on what little info we have and the physics involved.. it’s at least a plausible guess.


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19 Jun 2023, 11:06 pm

Titan Specifications:
Depth: 4,000 meters (13,123 feet)
Capacity: 5 persons (1 pilot + 4 crew)
Pressure Vessel Material: Carbon Fiber and Titanium
Overall Dimensions: 670cm x 280cm x 250cm (22ft x 9.2ft x 8.3ft high)
Weight: 10,432 kg (23,000 lbs)
Payload: 685 kg (1,510 lbs)
Speed: 3 knots
Propulsion: Four Innerspace 1002 electric thrusters
Life Support: 96 hours for 5 crew
Integrated Technology: Sub C Imaging 4k Rayfin camera, Teledyne 2D sonar, 40,000 lumens of external light, 2G Robotics laser scanner, INS/USBL.

An interesting detail to examine is that, ahead of the planned dive, one passenger recalled signing paperwork that read, in part, "This experimental vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, emotional trauma, or death."


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20 Jun 2023, 12:26 am

Sadly they have the same disclaimers on everyday medications. ^


I'm not known for claustrophobia but just the thought of that thing with five people in it gives me a panic attack.


Rest in peace to all souls lost.


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20 Jun 2023, 2:09 am

I think it Would be a hella cool trip.. I mean, more difficult & exclusive to get to than low orbit outer space!

Super deep sea exploration would be the trip of a lifetime that's for sure.. but I'm not That Big of a Titanic/History fan to have the Titanic site itself be that alluring. I mean, bonus that it's the Titanic and it just happens to be sitting 4km down - at least there Is a famous "tourist attraction," destination to go to vs. just a trip 4km down in hopes of seeing Something and possibly only seeing pitch black darkness and whatever colour the light illuminates the seafloor.

So, I guess overall the Titanic IS a worthy destination for such a trip.. but it'd be even cooler if it was whatever the hell was at the bottom of the ocean in the movie The Abyss and you were guaranteed to see that! :D

Super deep, and even not so super deep, sea stuff is pretty wild. I've never been scuba diving but one of my brothers has and some others I know. It's a thing I think I'd like to do someday - even if it's just to shallow wrecks and some really colourful areas not too far from here that Look Like they could be in Australia or somewhere more tropical. It's just neat considering how little of the oceans' depths we, as humans, have ever seen. I get the appeal of spending $330k on a dive down to the Titanic if you have that kind of vacation budget and a sense of adventure/risk taking. Sucks theses folks probably all imploded, though. :/ Of course I Hope they didn't and they're all found alive, though!


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20 Jun 2023, 4:11 am

I don't understand why submarines like this aren't fitted with scuttling charges.



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20 Jun 2023, 4:21 am

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I don't understand why submarines like this aren't fitted with scuttling charges.
I do not understand why you would want to destroy a tourist sub like that.  As a verb, to "scuttle" a vessel is to put a hole through the bottom, deck, or side, specifically to sink or attempt to sink the vessel.  You suggest using explosives to accomplish the same thing.

Why?


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20 Jun 2023, 7:18 am

Fnord wrote:
Nades wrote:
I don't understand why submarines like this aren't fitted with scuttling charges.
I do not understand why you would want to destroy a tourist sub like that.  As a verb, to "scuttle" a vessel is to put a hole through the bottom, deck, or side, specifically to sink or attempt to sink the vessel.  You suggest using explosives to accomplish the same thing.

Why?


I think everyone on that sub would rather an instant death than to be at the bottom of the Atlantic in pitch blackness know they're going to die anyway. I wouldn't want to drill a hole in the side of it anyway.

There should always be some option for taking the easy way out on machines like that. They're all goners, nothing at all can be done to help them and I'm sure they know.



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20 Jun 2023, 7:31 am

I think I'd rather die suddenly without knowing about it than be waiting at the bottom of the ocean waiting to die. That is so scary. Unless you know there's definitely going to be help and you're going to be saved. But it's still scary. I'm having panic attacks thinking about it.


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20 Jun 2023, 8:15 am

It also creeps me out.


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20 Jun 2023, 10:05 am

goldfish21 wrote:
I think it Would be a hella cool trip.. I mean, more difficult & exclusive to get to than low orbit outer space!

Super deep sea exploration would be the trip of a lifetime that's for sure.. but I'm not That Big of a Titanic/History fan to have the Titanic site itself be that alluring. I mean, bonus that it's the Titanic and it just happens to be sitting 4km down - at least there Is a famous "tourist attraction," destination to go to vs. just a trip 4km down in hopes of seeing Something and possibly only seeing pitch black darkness and whatever colour the light illuminates the seafloor.

So, I guess overall the Titanic IS a worthy destination for such a trip.. but it'd be even cooler if it was whatever the hell was at the bottom of the ocean in the movie The Abyss and you were guaranteed to see that! :D

Super deep, and even not so super deep, sea stuff is pretty wild. I've never been scuba diving but one of my brothers has and some others I know. It's a thing I think I'd like to do someday - even if it's just to shallow wrecks and some really colourful areas not too far from here that Look Like they could be in Australia or somewhere more tropical. It's just neat considering how little of the oceans' depths we, as humans, have ever seen. I get the appeal of spending $330k on a dive down to the Titanic if you have that kind of vacation budget and a sense of adventure/risk taking. Sucks theses folks probably all imploded, though. :/ Of course I Hope they didn't and they're all found alive, though!


Oh a side note, I wonder if it's possible it imploded have way down because of hull fatigue? The same thing happens on airlines from time to time (though the opposite) but I wonder because they apparently lost contact on their way down implying they never even made it to the wreck.



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20 Jun 2023, 11:55 am

If I had that kind of budget and weighed the risks, I think I'd choose space. I'd much rather blow up in the atmosphere. I don't want to implode in the deep, then have my minced flesh fed upon by sea life. And since I'm a natural pessimist, I'd go into it expecting never to return. Then, if I did return it would be like two vacations for the price of one. Ugh, those poor little rich kids. My heart goes out to them, their families.


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