Israel May start a second war in Lebanon

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04 Jul 2024, 3:06 pm

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Lebanon's Hezbollah launched a big rocket and drone attack at Israel on Thursday and threatened to hit new targets in retaliation for the killing of a top commander, in the latest surge of violence in the steadily worsening conflict across the border.

As the latest violence played out in areas at or near the frontier - in keeping with the pattern of the last nine months - the sound of sonic booms rattled nerves for the second successive day in Beirut and other parts of Lebanon.

Israeli jets broke the sound barrier over several areas of the country, Lebanon's National News Agency reported.
Hezbollah said it launched more than 200 rockets and a swarm of drones at 10 Israeli military sites in retaliation for Israel's killing of Hezbollah commander Mohammed Nasser in the south on Wednesday. Nasser is one of the most senior Hezbollah commanders to be killed by Israel during the conflict.

The Israeli military said around "200 projectiles and over 20 suspicious aerial targets were identified crossing from Lebanon into Israeli territory", a number of which were intercepted by Israeli air defences and fighter jets.
Israel's ambulance service said no casualties were reported. The Israeli military said some of the drones and interceptor shrapnel set off fires.

The Israeli air force "struck Hezbollah military structures" in the areas of Ramyeh and Houla", it said, referring to two villages in south Lebanon.

Senior Hezbollah official Hashem Safieddine, speaking at an event in Beirut commemorating Nasser, indicated his group would widen its targeting.

The series of responses continues in succession, and this series will continue to target new sites that the enemy did not imagine would be hit," Safieddine said.

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The United States has been leading diplomatic efforts to deescalate the fighting. Hezbollah has said it will not cease fire as long as Israel continues its offensive in the Gaza Strip.

Israeli attacks in Lebanon have killed more than 300 Hezbollah fighters and some 90 civilians, according to Reuters tallies. Israel says fire from Lebanon has killed 18 soldiers and 10 civilians.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-07-04/



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04 Jul 2024, 3:16 pm

How do you stick your dick in a beehive without expecting to get stung?

Both Israel and Hezbollah know their actions will demand a response, both will act like the response is unprovoked. In this case Israel is the only party capable of a grossly disproportionate response like a ground invasion which is ultimately what I have in mind with the metaphor.

Hezbollah are a professional force that's been actively engaged in combat in Syria for years. They only have one real war to plan for though and that's the one they're seeking to lure Israel into. You don't gotta be Admiral Ackbar to recognize this for what it is.


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05 Jul 2024, 2:44 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Hezbollah are a professional force that's been actively engaged in combat in Syria for years. They only have one real war to plan for though and that's the one they're seeking to lure Israel into. You don't gotta be Admiral Ackbar to recognize this for what it is.



hmmm. But U.S. policymakers see Hezbollah as a global terrorist threat. The United States designated Hezbollah a foreign terrorist organization in 1997, and several individual Hezbollah members, including Nasrallah, are labeled “specially designated global terrorists,” which subjects them to U.S. sanctions.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-h ... 0sanctions.



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05 Jul 2024, 10:25 am

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Hezbollah are a professional force that's been actively engaged in combat in Syria for years. They only have one real war to plan for though and that's the one they're seeking to lure Israel into. You don't gotta be Admiral Ackbar to recognize this for what it is.



hmmm. But U.S. policymakers see Hezbollah as a global terrorist threat. The United States designated Hezbollah a foreign terrorist organization in 1997, and several individual Hezbollah members, including Nasrallah, are labeled “specially designated global terrorists,” which subjects them to U.S. sanctions.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-h ... 0sanctions.


Because they're an Iranian proxy group, doesn't change what I said in the slightest.


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06 Jul 2024, 10:20 pm

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Because they're an Iranian proxy group, doesn't change what I said in the slightest.


Since when did terror organisations become legitimate players in global politics?



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06 Jul 2024, 10:28 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Because they're an Iranian proxy group, doesn't change what I said in the slightest.


Since when did terror organisations become legitimate players in global politics?


Define legitimate.

Whether 'legitimate' or not they're still one of the most powerful military forces in the region, that's what makes them a player whether or not you recognize them as legitimate (however you may define that term).

Basically you've responded to my first post about Hezbollah's capabilities by calling Hezbollah names rather than offering any comment of your own regarding their capabilities.


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06 Jul 2024, 11:39 pm

Hezbollah, HAMAS, Iran and most of the Arab league (now) are in cahoots to use military force against Israeli civilians. they have used Israel's predictable response to Oct 7th as grounds for reprisals.

Hezbollah lined up with HAMAS and Iran and launched unprovoked attacks on Israel on Oct 8th knowing it will provoke the IDF. the resulting terror attacks have caused extensive damage to Israel's northern borders.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/he ... =111593691



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07 Jul 2024, 2:57 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Hezbollah, HAMAS, Iran and most of the Arab league (now) are in cahoots to use military force against Israeli civilians. they have used Israel's predictable response to Oct 7th as grounds for reprisals.

Hezbollah lined up with HAMAS and Iran and launched unprovoked attacks on Israel on Oct 8th knowing it will provoke the IDF. the resulting terror attacks have caused extensive damage to Israel's northern borders.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/he ... =111593691


All The Arab League has done so far is express support for South Africa's genocide case against Israel.

I'd disagree that the violence Israel has faced is unprovoked. It's provoked by their ongoing behaviour towards the Palestinian people. You're just relying on Israel's dishonest framing to ignore how Israeli actions end up having consequences. Israel doesn't hold a monopoly on legitimate use of force in the region.


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07 Jul 2024, 4:18 pm

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I'd disagree that the violence Israel has faced is unprovoked. It's provoked by their ongoing behaviour towards the Palestinian people. .

I think exploited might be more accurate. Again, are you insinuating innocent civilians are fair game?



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07 Jul 2024, 6:35 pm

cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I'd disagree that the violence Israel has faced is unprovoked. It's provoked by their ongoing behaviour towards the Palestinian people. .

I think exploited might be more accurate. Again, are you insinuating innocent civilians are fair game?


The way you talk about things they only seem to be fair game for Israel.

My apologies, you use the already debunked human shield myth to excuse the murders Israel commits against innocent civilians. If you didn't lie about the nature of those deaths you might have to recognize who the antagonist actually is.


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