Trump team fully embraces RFK Jr.'s vaccine skepticism
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01 Nov 2024, 9:41 pm
Trump has promised Kennedy and his fringe views a prominent role in health policy if he wins
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In the closing days of the presidential campaign, former President Donald Trump and some of his top allies have increasingly embraced and spread anti-vaccine rhetoric typically linked to former independent presidential candidate and vaccine skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
"He’s a great guy. I’ve known him a long time. And all he wants to do — it’s very simple — he wants to make people healthy," Trump told NBC News on Friday.
Misinformation about vaccines has not been a focal point of Trump's 2024 campaign, but recently, Kennedy's influence — and the large role he could play in a Trump administration — have come to the forefront.
During an event with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Kennedy in Arizona Thursday night, Trump said that Kennedy wants to "look" at pesticides and vaccines in a potential Trump administration — and he was more than happy to give him carte blanche.
"He can do anything he wants," Trump said.
“He really wants to with the pesticides and the, you know, all the different things. I said, he can do it," Trump told Carlson. "He can do anything he wants. He wants to look at the vaccines. He wants —everything. I think it’s great. I think it’s great."
He also said Kennedy was “going to work on health and women’s health.”
Vice President Kamala Harris took aim at Trump's embrace of Kennedy and indications that Kennedy's views on health policy could be empowered in a second Trump term, telling reporters on Friday that he is “the exact last person in America who should be setting healthcare policy for America’s families and children.”
Harris referred to Kennedy as “someone who has routinely promoted junk science and crazy conspiracy theories" and highlighted his past support for a national abortion ban.
During an interview with popular podcast host Joe Rogan that was released Thursday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance expressed skepticism about the Covid vaccine, saying, he'd been "red-pilled," a term nabbed from "The Matrix" and used by some to explain that they've become aware of conspiracies throughout society.
“I took the vax, and you know, I haven’t been boosted or anything, but the moment where I really started to get red-pilled on the whole vax thing was the sickest that I have been in the last 15 years by far was when I took the vaccine," Vance said.
"I’ve had Covid at this point five times. I was in bed for two days, my heart was racing, I was like, the fact that we’re not even allowed to talk about that. Even, you know — no like, serious injury, but even the fact that we’re not even allowed to talk about the fact that I was as sick as I’ve ever been for two days and the worst Covid experience I had was like a sinus infection, I’m not really willing to trade that," the senator added.
It’s unclear when Vance was vaccinated and whether it was before he had a Covid infection. His spokesperson did not return a request for clarification.
And earlier this week, Kennedy told attendees at an event that Trump had promised him "control" of public health agencies like the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Agriculture if the former president is elected.
It was a claim that Howard Lutnick, the co-chair of the Trump-Vance transition team, did not deny when asked by CNN Wednesday whether Kennedy was right to say he would lead public health agencies in a potential Trump administration. Lutnick also embraced Kennedy's vaccine skepticism.
"I spent two-and-a-half hours this week with Bobby Kennedy Jr. and it was the most extraordinary thing," Lutnick told CNN. "I said, 'So, tell me. How's it going to go?' And he said, 'Why don't you just listen to me explain things.'"
Lutnick went on to discuss debunked conspiracy theories linking vaccines to autism and blaming the National Institutes of Health for taking money from pharmaceutical companies in exchange for pushing vaccines on babies.
Kennedy has linked autism to vaccines for years, though multiple reputable studies over the last few decades have shown that vaccines are not linked with autism and that not vaccinating children can cause harm.
In a statement to NBC News on Thursday, Trump campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt emphasized that there still are “no formal decisions” about positions in a potential administration, but that Trump “has said he will work alongside passionate voices like RFK Jr. to make America healthy again by providing families with safe food and ending the chronic disease epidemic plaguing our children,” referring to Type 2 diabetes.
“President Trump will also establish a special presidential commission of independent minds and will charge them with investigating what is causing the decades-long increase in chronic illnesses,” she added.
“The only thing President Trump and his campaign team are focused on is winning on November 5th," Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller said in a statement Friday. "Everything after that is after that, and President Trump has made clear that Bobby Kennedy will play an important role.”
"He’s a great guy. I’ve known him a long time. And all he wants to do — it’s very simple — he wants to make people healthy," Trump told NBC News on Friday.
Misinformation about vaccines has not been a focal point of Trump's 2024 campaign, but recently, Kennedy's influence — and the large role he could play in a Trump administration — have come to the forefront.
During an event with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson and Kennedy in Arizona Thursday night, Trump said that Kennedy wants to "look" at pesticides and vaccines in a potential Trump administration — and he was more than happy to give him carte blanche.
"He can do anything he wants," Trump said.
“He really wants to with the pesticides and the, you know, all the different things. I said, he can do it," Trump told Carlson. "He can do anything he wants. He wants to look at the vaccines. He wants —everything. I think it’s great. I think it’s great."
He also said Kennedy was “going to work on health and women’s health.”
Vice President Kamala Harris took aim at Trump's embrace of Kennedy and indications that Kennedy's views on health policy could be empowered in a second Trump term, telling reporters on Friday that he is “the exact last person in America who should be setting healthcare policy for America’s families and children.”
Harris referred to Kennedy as “someone who has routinely promoted junk science and crazy conspiracy theories" and highlighted his past support for a national abortion ban.
During an interview with popular podcast host Joe Rogan that was released Thursday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vance expressed skepticism about the Covid vaccine, saying, he'd been "red-pilled," a term nabbed from "The Matrix" and used by some to explain that they've become aware of conspiracies throughout society.
“I took the vax, and you know, I haven’t been boosted or anything, but the moment where I really started to get red-pilled on the whole vax thing was the sickest that I have been in the last 15 years by far was when I took the vaccine," Vance said.
"I’ve had Covid at this point five times. I was in bed for two days, my heart was racing, I was like, the fact that we’re not even allowed to talk about that. Even, you know — no like, serious injury, but even the fact that we’re not even allowed to talk about the fact that I was as sick as I’ve ever been for two days and the worst Covid experience I had was like a sinus infection, I’m not really willing to trade that," the senator added.
It’s unclear when Vance was vaccinated and whether it was before he had a Covid infection. His spokesperson did not return a request for clarification.
And earlier this week, Kennedy told attendees at an event that Trump had promised him "control" of public health agencies like the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Agriculture if the former president is elected.
It was a claim that Howard Lutnick, the co-chair of the Trump-Vance transition team, did not deny when asked by CNN Wednesday whether Kennedy was right to say he would lead public health agencies in a potential Trump administration. Lutnick also embraced Kennedy's vaccine skepticism.
"I spent two-and-a-half hours this week with Bobby Kennedy Jr. and it was the most extraordinary thing," Lutnick told CNN. "I said, 'So, tell me. How's it going to go?' And he said, 'Why don't you just listen to me explain things.'"
Lutnick went on to discuss debunked conspiracy theories linking vaccines to autism and blaming the National Institutes of Health for taking money from pharmaceutical companies in exchange for pushing vaccines on babies.
Kennedy has linked autism to vaccines for years, though multiple reputable studies over the last few decades have shown that vaccines are not linked with autism and that not vaccinating children can cause harm.
In a statement to NBC News on Thursday, Trump campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt emphasized that there still are “no formal decisions” about positions in a potential administration, but that Trump “has said he will work alongside passionate voices like RFK Jr. to make America healthy again by providing families with safe food and ending the chronic disease epidemic plaguing our children,” referring to Type 2 diabetes.
“President Trump will also establish a special presidential commission of independent minds and will charge them with investigating what is causing the decades-long increase in chronic illnesses,” she added.
“The only thing President Trump and his campaign team are focused on is winning on November 5th," Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller said in a statement Friday. "Everything after that is after that, and President Trump has made clear that Bobby Kennedy will play an important role.”
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03 Nov 2024, 5:29 pm
I personally embrace RFK Jr's skepticism as well, even if I'm not a fan of Trump. The why is simple; there are many things about the vaccine industry that is very suspicious and potentially dangerous to the average human.
First and foremost is the very nature of the health care industry as a whole. Is its primary function to find and heal the many ailments that affect humanity, or is it to be profitable? The question is extremely important to answer because the simple reality is that we can't truly have both. While there are many individuals in health care because of a true desire to help the world heal, there are many who are not. The medical care system itself, which drug and vaccine making companies are a part of, is designed and ran as strictly for maximizing profits.
Take a serious look at the vaccine makers, what do we see? Vaccine makers have blanket immunity from any and all legal liability, they cannot be sued for anything negative caused by their vaccines. This has allowed them to cut corners during manufacturing their vaccines, all in order to maximize their profits. There have been several studies done which analyzed the actual ingredients found in different production lots of the same vaccine. These comparisons should show an almost identical list and levels of ingredients across the lots, yet they all found the opposite with almost no consistency. Since they cannot be sued or held liable for any damages the makers do not care. Sad, but true.
The big question for our ND community is if the role that vaccines may or may not have with causing neurological development issues and problems. The biggest issues brought up countless times is the inclusion of thimerosal and aluminum salts in many of the vaccines administered for decades. Thimerosal is added to many simply so the makers can distribute their vaccines in multiuse vials rather that the more expensive single use vials. It could be easily removed, but profits are above all else in the corporate mind. Aluminum salts are also used in vaccines as an adjuvant, theoretically to make the vaccine more potent so less is needed each time and overall. It is well known in scientific communities that both are toxic, yet we are told that somehow they are safe for us in vaccines. We are told that our body flushes out 99% of these ingredients within a short period of time, and for our bodies they are correct. What they purposely ignore acknowledging or addressing is the 1% that doesn't get flushed from the body and why.
The truth is that approximately 1% of the mercury and aluminum is able to cross the blood -brain-barrier (BBB). Once there it is hard for the body to get rid of them, so over time the levels in the brain can and do build higher and higher. Once high enough the potential for neurological issues becomes more and more likely, especially for the extremely young whose BBB hasn't become fully developed or capable of preventing their crossing into the brain. We have seen the results of this many times, we are just told that these results are caused by everything else but the vaccines. How many children has the world seen go from 'normal' to level 3 autism with serious care needs in a matter of days after multiple vaccines?
Exposure to Mercury and Aluminum in Early Life: Developmental Vulnerability as a Modifying Factor in Neurologic and Immunologic Effects
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Currently, ethylmercury (EtHg) and adjuvant-Al are the dominating interventional exposures encountered by fetuses, newborns, and infants due to immunization with Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs). Despite their long use as active agents of medicines and fungicides, the safety levels of these substances have never been determined, either for animals or for adult humans-much less for fetuses, newborns, infants, and children. I reviewed the literature for papers reporting on outcomes associated with (a) multiple exposures and metabolism of EtHg and Al during early life; (b) physiological and metabolic characteristics of newborns, neonates, and infants relevant to xenobiotic exposure and effects; (c) neurobehavioral, immunological, and inflammatory reactions to Thimerosal and Al-adjuvants resulting from TCV exposure in infancy. Immunological and neurobehavioral effects of Thimerosal-EtHg and Al-adjuvants are not extraordinary; rather, these effects are easily detected in high and low income countries, with co-exposure to methylmercury (MeHg) or other neurotoxicants. Rigorous and replicable studies (in different animal species) have shown evidence of EtHg and Al toxicities. More research attention has been given to EtHg and findings have showed a solid link with neurotoxic effects in humans; however, the potential synergic effect of both toxic agents has not been properly studied. Therefore, early life exposure to both EtHg and Al deserves due consideration
03 Nov 2024, 6:38 pm
ShwaggyD wrote:
I personally embrace RFK Jr's skepticism as well, even if I'm not a fan of Trump. The why is simple; there are many things about the vaccine industry that is very suspicious and potentially dangerous to the average human.
First and foremost is the very nature of the health care industry as a whole. Is its primary function to find and heal the many ailments that affect humanity, or is it to be profitable? The question is extremely important to answer because the simple reality is that we can't truly have both. While there are many individuals in health care because of a true desire to help the world heal, there are many who are not. The medical care system itself, which drug and vaccine making companies are a part of, is designed and ran as strictly for maximizing profits.
Take a serious look at the vaccine makers, what do we see? Vaccine makers have blanket immunity from any and all legal liability, they cannot be sued for anything negative caused by their vaccines. This has allowed them to cut corners during manufacturing their vaccines, all in order to maximize their profits. There have been several studies done which analyzed the actual ingredients found in different production lots of the same vaccine. These comparisons should show an almost identical list and levels of ingredients across the lots, yet they all found the opposite with almost no consistency. Since they cannot be sued or held liable for any damages the makers do not care. Sad, but true.
The big question for our ND community is if the role that vaccines may or may not have with causing neurological development issues and problems. The biggest issues brought up countless times is the inclusion of thimerosal and aluminum salts in many of the vaccines administered for decades. Thimerosal is added to many simply so the makers can distribute their vaccines in multiuse vials rather that the more expensive single use vials. It could be easily removed, but profits are above all else in the corporate mind. Aluminum salts are also used in vaccines as an adjuvant, theoretically to make the vaccine more potent so less is needed each time and overall. It is well known in scientific communities that both are toxic, yet we are told that somehow they are safe for us in vaccines. We are told that our body flushes out 99% of these ingredients within a short period of time, and for our bodies they are correct. What they purposely ignore acknowledging or addressing is the 1% that doesn't get flushed from the body and why.
The truth is that approximately 1% of the mercury and aluminum is able to cross the blood -brain-barrier (BBB). Once there it is hard for the body to get rid of them, so over time the levels in the brain can and do build higher and higher. Once high enough the potential for neurological issues becomes more and more likely, especially for the extremely young whose BBB hasn't become fully developed or capable of preventing their crossing into the brain. We have seen the results of this many times, we are just told that these results are caused by everything else but the vaccines. How many children has the world seen go from 'normal' to level 3 autism with serious care needs in a matter of days after multiple vaccines?
Exposure to Mercury and Aluminum in Early Life: Developmental Vulnerability as a Modifying Factor in Neurologic and Immunologic Effects
First and foremost is the very nature of the health care industry as a whole. Is its primary function to find and heal the many ailments that affect humanity, or is it to be profitable? The question is extremely important to answer because the simple reality is that we can't truly have both. While there are many individuals in health care because of a true desire to help the world heal, there are many who are not. The medical care system itself, which drug and vaccine making companies are a part of, is designed and ran as strictly for maximizing profits.
Take a serious look at the vaccine makers, what do we see? Vaccine makers have blanket immunity from any and all legal liability, they cannot be sued for anything negative caused by their vaccines. This has allowed them to cut corners during manufacturing their vaccines, all in order to maximize their profits. There have been several studies done which analyzed the actual ingredients found in different production lots of the same vaccine. These comparisons should show an almost identical list and levels of ingredients across the lots, yet they all found the opposite with almost no consistency. Since they cannot be sued or held liable for any damages the makers do not care. Sad, but true.
The big question for our ND community is if the role that vaccines may or may not have with causing neurological development issues and problems. The biggest issues brought up countless times is the inclusion of thimerosal and aluminum salts in many of the vaccines administered for decades. Thimerosal is added to many simply so the makers can distribute their vaccines in multiuse vials rather that the more expensive single use vials. It could be easily removed, but profits are above all else in the corporate mind. Aluminum salts are also used in vaccines as an adjuvant, theoretically to make the vaccine more potent so less is needed each time and overall. It is well known in scientific communities that both are toxic, yet we are told that somehow they are safe for us in vaccines. We are told that our body flushes out 99% of these ingredients within a short period of time, and for our bodies they are correct. What they purposely ignore acknowledging or addressing is the 1% that doesn't get flushed from the body and why.
The truth is that approximately 1% of the mercury and aluminum is able to cross the blood -brain-barrier (BBB). Once there it is hard for the body to get rid of them, so over time the levels in the brain can and do build higher and higher. Once high enough the potential for neurological issues becomes more and more likely, especially for the extremely young whose BBB hasn't become fully developed or capable of preventing their crossing into the brain. We have seen the results of this many times, we are just told that these results are caused by everything else but the vaccines. How many children has the world seen go from 'normal' to level 3 autism with serious care needs in a matter of days after multiple vaccines?
Exposure to Mercury and Aluminum in Early Life: Developmental Vulnerability as a Modifying Factor in Neurologic and Immunologic Effects
Quote:
Currently, ethylmercury (EtHg) and adjuvant-Al are the dominating interventional exposures encountered by fetuses, newborns, and infants due to immunization with Thimerosal-containing vaccines (TCVs). Despite their long use as active agents of medicines and fungicides, the safety levels of these substances have never been determined, either for animals or for adult humans-much less for fetuses, newborns, infants, and children. I reviewed the literature for papers reporting on outcomes associated with (a) multiple exposures and metabolism of EtHg and Al during early life; (b) physiological and metabolic characteristics of newborns, neonates, and infants relevant to xenobiotic exposure and effects; (c) neurobehavioral, immunological, and inflammatory reactions to Thimerosal and Al-adjuvants resulting from TCV exposure in infancy. Immunological and neurobehavioral effects of Thimerosal-EtHg and Al-adjuvants are not extraordinary; rather, these effects are easily detected in high and low income countries, with co-exposure to methylmercury (MeHg) or other neurotoxicants. Rigorous and replicable studies (in different animal species) have shown evidence of EtHg and Al toxicities. More research attention has been given to EtHg and findings have showed a solid link with neurotoxic effects in humans; however, the potential synergic effect of both toxic agents has not been properly studied. Therefore, early life exposure to both EtHg and Al deserves due consideration
If you look at the chemical structure of thiomersal (the ingredient in question), it has an covalent mercury-sulfur bond and an mercury-carbon bond (as an ethyl side group). The chemical can be metabolized in the body to yield diethyl mercury, which can cause damage in the brain if it accumulates in a significant amount. It is not as toxic in the body as the dreaded dimethyl mercury (that causes mad-hatters disease).
Diethyl mercury has a biological half-life of approximately 20 days or so. The amount in vaccines is very small (micrograms are used to stabilize/preserve), so one dose on occasion would not typically cause an issue. One would have to have sustained multiple doses a day over an extended time period before it could build up to a toxic level inside the human body. Babies would be naturally more susceptible to toxins than fuel grown adults. That does not mean that it cannot be used on them. It means that they would have less tolerances to multiple doses in the same time frame.
Side note: Metal mercury is not nearly as problematic to the brain as people think it is. It cannot cross the blood-brain barrier in the metal form, since it is not a charged specie. It does cause other health issues, especially involving the heart. Some bacteria can oxidize the metal into a charged form. That is when the toxicity changes to a much higher risk. Methyl mercury compounds can be skin absorbed (passes through latex even), goes directly into the blood stream and start shorting out the circuits within the brain as soon as it gets there. One of my former research advisers personally knew the well-known professor who died while working with dimethyl mercury in the 1990s. She became part of the knowledge base of the compound. She made the mistake of reusing her latex gloves.
I enjoy working with toxins such as these in the laboratory setting. It makes research more interesting. You often do not get a second chance to make mistakes with them.
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03 Nov 2024, 6:45 pm
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One of my former research advisers personally knew the well-known professor who died while working with dimethyl mercury in the 1990s. She became part of the knowledge base of the compound. She made the mistake of reusing her latex gloves.
Is this her case, in New Hampshire?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/n ... 6043382305
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03 Nov 2024, 7:54 pm
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QuantumChemist wrote:
One of my former research advisers personally knew the well-known professor who died while working with dimethyl mercury in the 1990s. She became part of the knowledge base of the compound. She made the mistake of reusing her latex gloves.
Is this her case, in New Hampshire?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/n ... 6043382305
Yes, that was her. What was not mentioned in the video (according to my former mentor) is that she often used gloves much longer than she should have. I know it seems wasteful, but the gloves are supposed to be discarded upon any contact immediately. She worked with them after exposure for quite some time, which allowed for it to accumulate inside her. If she would have immediately removed the contaminated gloves and disposed of them, she likely would have had a better outcome. I know that there are chelation materials for such exposures, but they are limited to how fast you can get to them once exposed.
I have handled methyl mercury chloride before. I treat it as a rattlesnake in a bottle. You give it respect when you use it. Otherwise it will bite you in the end. I tell my students to be aware of chemicals, not to be afraid of them. If they do not think that they are skilled enough to work with the chemical in question, then they really should not use it.
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03 Nov 2024, 8:35 pm
Trump doesn't rule out banning vaccines if he becomes president: 'I'll make a decision'
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Former President Donald Trump said Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would have a “big role in the administration” if he wins Tuesday, telling NBC News in a phone interview that he is open to some of his more controversial ideas.
Asked Sunday whether banning certain vaccines would be an option during a second term, Trump didn’t rule it out.
“Well, I’m going to talk to [Kennedy] and talk to other people, and I’ll make a decision, but he’s a very talented guy and has strong views,” Trump said.
Trump declined to talk about specific roles Kennedy might play in a second administration, but in recent public appearances, he has made it clear that envisions a prominent role for him.
“He can do anything he wants,” Trump said at an event Thursday in Arizona.
He said Kennedy was “going to work on health and women’s health,” and two sources close to the Trump campaign have told NBC News he might play a prominent role in battling “chronic childhood disease.”
On Friday, Kennedy tweeted that on its first day in office, a Trump administration would push to ban fluoride in water, claiming it is “industrial waste” that leads to problems like cancer and other diseases.
“Well, I haven’t talked to him about it yet, but it sounds OK to me,” Trump said Sunday when he was asked about that plan. “You know, it’s possible.”
On an episode of the “The Joe Rogan Experience” last week, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio, Trump’s running mate, also spoke about his experience with the Covid vaccine, expressing skepticism about it.
Asked Sunday whether banning certain vaccines would be an option during a second term, Trump didn’t rule it out.
“Well, I’m going to talk to [Kennedy] and talk to other people, and I’ll make a decision, but he’s a very talented guy and has strong views,” Trump said.
Trump declined to talk about specific roles Kennedy might play in a second administration, but in recent public appearances, he has made it clear that envisions a prominent role for him.
“He can do anything he wants,” Trump said at an event Thursday in Arizona.
He said Kennedy was “going to work on health and women’s health,” and two sources close to the Trump campaign have told NBC News he might play a prominent role in battling “chronic childhood disease.”
On Friday, Kennedy tweeted that on its first day in office, a Trump administration would push to ban fluoride in water, claiming it is “industrial waste” that leads to problems like cancer and other diseases.
“Well, I haven’t talked to him about it yet, but it sounds OK to me,” Trump said Sunday when he was asked about that plan. “You know, it’s possible.”
On an episode of the “The Joe Rogan Experience” last week, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio, Trump’s running mate, also spoke about his experience with the Covid vaccine, expressing skepticism about it.
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03 Nov 2024, 11:21 pm
QuantumChemist wrote:
If you look at the chemical structure of thiomersal (the ingredient in question), it has an covalent mercury-sulfur bond and an mercury-carbon bond (as an ethyl side group). The chemical can be metabolized in the body to yield diethyl mercury, which can cause damage in the brain if it accumulates in a significant amount. It is not as toxic in the body as the dreaded dimethyl mercury (that causes mad-hatters disease).
Diethyl mercury has a biological half-life of approximately 20 days or so. The amount in vaccines is very small (micrograms are used to stabilize/preserve), so one dose on occasion would not typically cause an issue. One would have to have sustained multiple doses a day over an extended time period before it could build up to a toxic level inside the human body. Babies would be naturally more susceptible to toxins than fuel grown adults. That does not mean that it cannot be used on them. It means that they would have less tolerances to multiple doses in the same time frame.
Side note: Metal mercury is not nearly as problematic to the brain as people think it is. It cannot cross the blood-brain barrier in the metal form, since it is not a charged specie. It does cause other health issues, especially involving the heart. Some bacteria can oxidize the metal into a charged form. That is when the toxicity changes to a much higher risk. Methyl mercury compounds can be skin absorbed (passes through latex even), goes directly into the blood stream and start shorting out the circuits within the brain as soon as it gets there. One of my former research advisers personally knew the well-known professor who died while working with dimethyl mercury in the 1990s. She became part of the knowledge base of the compound. She made the mistake of reusing her latex gloves.
I enjoy working with toxins such as these in the laboratory setting. It makes research more interesting. You often do not get a second chance to make mistakes with them.
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During their first two years, children in the United States may receive more than 20 routine vaccinations. The rise in childhood autism has sparked concerns that thimerosal-derived ethylmercury may be at least partly to blame for some of these cases—concerns that are largely driven by awareness of methylmercury’s neurotoxicity. Beginning in 1999 thimerosal-free versions of routine vaccines for children under age 6 started becoming available. However, as of winter 2005, the flu vaccine still contained thimerosal, and the preservative continues to be used in vaccines in other countries.
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Brain concentrations of total mercury were approximately 3–4 times lower in the thimerosal group than in the methylmercury group, and total mercury cleared more rapidly in the thimerosal group (with a half-life of 24.2 days versus 59.5 days). However, the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (21–86% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (6–10%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. It’s not currently known whether inorganic mercury presents any risk to the developing brain.
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Brain concentrations of total mercury were approximately 3–4 times lower in the thimerosal group than in the methylmercury group, and total mercury cleared more rapidly in the thimerosal group (with a half-life of 24.2 days versus 59.5 days). However, the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (21–86% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (6–10%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. It’s not currently known whether inorganic mercury presents any risk to the developing brain.
Thimerosal and Animal Brains: New Data for Assessing Human Ethylmercury Risk
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Beginning in 1989, the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) began steadily increasing the types and total number of vaccines required for school attendance, including thimerosal-containing vaccines. By 1999, the expanded vaccine schedule called for children to receive nineteen vaccine injections by age two, eleven of which contained thimerosal. Children born in the 1990s could be injected, therefore, with up to 237.5 micrograms of mercury by their second birthday, and as much as 62.5 micrograms at a single doctor’s visit.
Ongoing Thimerosal Travesty
Past research has said that approximately 1% of the thimerosal is able to cross the BBB, which would mean by age 2 a child will have a buildup in their brain of around 2.37 micrograms of just thimerosal and just from the vaccines.
Thimerosal wasn't the only issue though, I also mentioned the use of aluminum salts as an adjuvant being a potential problem. About 1% of aluminum that enters the body from vaccines is estimated to accumulate in the brain. The amount of aluminum in a vaccine dose is typically less than 0.625 milligrams. Aluminum stays in the brain for over 7 years meaning over time the buildup can potentially dangerous, especially when coupled with any and all environmental factors. The real concern is what affect both and all can have on the neural development of an infant when the brain is at its most vulnerable state.
I think for me the true skepticism is in why these 2 ingredients, and many others that I'm sure I don't understand but should, are used when they are not required. I admit, I'm no way near know enough scientifically to say one way or the other; yet I know more than enough about human nature and history to know that my skepticism is valid. I know that having blanket immunity from any and all lawsuits will eventually make greedy people cut corners in order to maximize profits. History has already shown this to be true. I know many top executives, especially the men, are sociopaths who care nothing about anyone other than themselves. They don't care if their products hurt some people; only about maintaining their money and power.
I'm also interested to see what RFK will do, if anything, to help combat the chronic illness and obesity problem in America. The sad truth in America is that it can be extremely costly and difficult for the average person to live, eat, and stay healthy. Especially since covid.
03 Nov 2024, 11:45 pm
There is a choice to be made: Either continue the use of thiomersal as a preservative in bulk quantities of vaccines to third-world countries, or deny those same vaccines (without thiomersal) to third-world countries due to lack of proper refrigeration.
In other words, it is a choice between a remote risk of complications in a small segment of the population, or an agonizing (and preventable) death by disease for many.
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Yesterday, 1:22 am
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There is a choice to be made: Either continue the use of thiomersal as a preservative in bulk quantities of vaccines to third-world countries, or deny those same vaccines (without thiomersal) to third-world countries due to lack of proper refrigeration.
In other words, it is a choice between a remote risk of complications in a small segment of the population, or an agonizing (and preventable) death by disease for many.
In other words, it is a choice between a remote risk of complications in a small segment of the population, or an agonizing (and preventable) death by disease for many.
And if Trump is reelected it looks like the second choice will be made. In addition to preventable deaths the second choice will result in the preventable disabling of many.
The banned vaccines will become like any other street drug. You won’t know what you are getting, it will be self administered or administered by quakes resulting in wrong doses given and ruptured blood vessles.
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Yesterday, 9:06 am
Thiomersal is used in vaccines as an anti-bacterial/anti-microbrial ingredient. Bacteria growth often spoil unprotected vaccines, especially when they are not refrigerated properly. Without this ingredient, the vaccines would have a much shorter usable shelf life, even if they are properly stored in a cold environment. Since vaccines cost money to make, it would cost a lot more to be constantly producing vaccines without the preservative than to add it in to batches.
There is another piece to this. It will be critical to be delivered on time during cold transport, as there is less leeway on usable time. If you do not stabilize the vaccine, there will likely be shortages in supply to places further out from the production plant. That is even true here in the U.S.A., whether we realize it or not.
Yesterday, 10:29 am
The Covid-19 vaccines seemed to have effectively stopped the Pandemic. As I recall I got four shots.
I went to a National Conference with 250 people at the banquet and did not get sick! Two full days.
One attendee came down with Covid at the end of the event but apparently did not pass it on to anyone else, including the local people he was staying with!
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The Covid-19 vaccines seemed to have effectively stopped the Pandemic. As I recall I got four shots.
I went to a National Conference with 250 people at the banquet and did not get sick! Two full days.
One attendee came down with Covid at the end of the event but apparently did not pass it on to anyone else, including the local people he was staying with!
I went to a National Conference with 250 people at the banquet and did not get sick! Two full days.
One attendee came down with Covid at the end of the event but apparently did not pass it on to anyone else, including the local people he was staying with!
If RFK becomes health czar the COVID vaccine is likely to be the first one to be banned.
Covid is not any less prevalent. It is actually more contagious but because of a combination of vaccines and immunity from getting COVID it is a lot weaker. If the COVID vaccine is banned because immunity wears off fast and new variants constantly pop up this will make COVID stronger and more prevalent. Because there will be so many cases this will mitigate this to a degree because there will be more immunity. My guess is no return to 2020 but it will be stronger and thus be more of a problem for the vulnerable.
All bets are off if some new variant that evades immunity arrives but that usually does not happen.
Be it some new super COVID variant or a new contagion because a vaccine skeptic will be health czar you can forget Fast Track, it will be “let er rip”.
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If karma was real RFK would catch a preventable disease and be deleted from the census.
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