Christopher Columbus was secretly Jewish

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13 Oct 2024, 5:03 am

DNA tests suggest explorer hid true identity due to rampant anti-Semitism across Europe

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Christopher Columbus was Jewish, DNA experts concluded in a long-awaited investigation into the true origins of one of history’s most famous explorers.

Examinations of the bones of Columbus and of his son, Hernando, showed a Jewish origin, something the explorer concealed during a time in which Jews were being persecuted in Spain and other parts of Europe, researchers said.

“Both in the ‘Y’ chromosome and in the mitochondrial chromosome of Hernando, there are traits compatible with Jewish origins,” Antonio Lorente, professor of legal and forensic medicine at the University of Granada.

The discovery was the culmination of two decades of research led by Prof Lorente, presented in a prime-time Spanish television documentary on Saturday night to coincide with Spain’s national day.

The findings challenge the theory that Columbus was an Italian sailor from Genoa, as textbooks have stated for centuries. They also claim to settle a dispute over Columbus’s final resting place.

Prof Lorente said the DNA showed a “western Mediterranean” origin, but he could not state categorically which country or region.

However, Francesc Albardaner, a historian who has written extensively about Columbus having origins in Catalan-speaking eastern Spain, explained that being Jewish and from Genoa was effectively impossible in the 15th century.

“Jews could only spend three days at a time in Genoa by law at that time,” said Mr Albardaner.

“There were around 200,000 Jews living in Spain in Columbus’s time. In the Italian peninsula, it is estimated that there were only between 10,000 and 15,000. There was a much larger Jewish population in Sicily of around 40,000, but we should remember that Sicily, in Columbus’s time, belonged to the Crown of Aragon.”

Mr Albardaner said his research has shown that Columbus was from a family of Jewish silk spinners from the Valencia region.

In the same year of 1492 that Columbus landed on Guanahani, in the Bahamas, Spain’s Catholic monarchs – Queen Isabella of Castile and King Ferdinand II of Aragon – ordered the expulsion of all Jews who did not agree to convert to Christianity.

“Christopher Columbus had to pretend all his life that he was a Roman Catholic. If he had made one mistake, this man would have ended up on the pyre,” said Mr Albardaner.

The DNA research shows that Columbus lied about his family; Diego Columbus was the explorer’s second cousin and not his brother, as he told the Spanish court.

A key part of the puzzle was to establish that the remains said to be those of Columbus kept in a tomb in Seville Cathedral were really those of the explorer, in the face of a longstanding claim by the Dominican Republic to be the resting place of Columbus.

Prof Lorente’s team established without doubt that the Seville bones were those of Columbus thanks to a close match with the DNA found in the remains of his son, Hernando, kept in the same cathedral.

Speaking on the documentary DNA Columbus – his true origin, Prof Lorente agreed that Columbus was almost certainly not from mainland Italy and said that there was no solid evidence that he had come from France.

Antisemites are going to have a field day with this news, "Jews are natural settler-colonists".

It is not stated in these articles but maybe he was a proto-Zionist, exploring places for persecuted Jews to settle in. Hmmm.


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13 Oct 2024, 6:45 am

There has been speculation about this for a while now. I remember hearing about the possibility that Columbus was a "Marrano Jew" back in the mid-to-late 1990's.


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13 Oct 2024, 8:47 am

its been long speculated that he was Jewish for some decades. The famous Nazi hunter Simon Wisenthal even wrote a book about it. Maybe this DNA is the smoking gun. Other theories suggest he was an aristocrat from a rival kingdom to Castile on the Iberian peninsula. Aristocrats are usually Gentiles. But both theories agree that there seems to be vanishingly small evidence that he came from Genoa, or anywhere in Italy as we have all been told.

Either Aragon (east coast what is now Spain), or from Portugal (Spain's rival on the west coast of Iberia) are the two main theories.

The Portugese theory strikes me as the most convincing.


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14 Oct 2024, 8:16 am

A new DNA study on the 500-year-old remains of Christopher Columbus has found that the controversial explorer was actually a Sephardic Jew from western Europe.

Spanish researchers announced their findings in a new documentary, titled Columbus DNA: The true origin, which aired on Spain’s national broadcaster TVE. Since 2003, scientists have ​​tested samples of remains buried at Seville Cathedral in Spain, believed to be the final resting place of the 15th-century explorer.

In the documentary, Jose Antonio Lorente, a professor of forensic medicine, who led the research at the University of Granada, said his analysis revealed that Columbus’s DNA was “compatible” with his being of Jewish origin.

An estimated 300,000 Jews were living in Spain before the era of the “Reyes Catolicos”, during which Catholic monarchs King Ferdinand II and Queen Isabella ordered Jews and Muslims to convert to Christianity or face exile. The expulsion of Jews from Spain occurred in 1492, the same year that Columbus made his first voyage to the Americas.

Now, researchers believe Columbus either concealed his Jewish identity or converted to Catholicism to escape religious persecution. The term “Sephardic” is derived from Sepharad, a Hebrew word that refers to the Iberian peninsula, which includes modern-day Spain and Portugal.

Source: Christopher Columbus was secretly Jewish, new DNA study reveals


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14 Oct 2024, 8:36 am

The article that I cited above also goes on to say:

Sponsored by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, Columbus completed four voyages for Spain across the Atlantic Ocean. However, his conquests – and the subsequent genocide and colonisation of Indigenous people in the Americas – have been widely condemned. As a result, many states and cities in the United States have decided to rename Columbus Day, the holiday in honour of the explorer, to recognise the violence committed against Native Americans since Columbus and his crews arrived on shore.

This is probably a travesty of justice. Christopher Columbus was a very remarkable person. The main point that many of these people who which to delete Christopher Columbus form the history books missed is that the entire region at the time was populated by cannibals.

According to Wikipedia: Cannibalism in the Americas has been practiced in many places throughout much of the history of North America and South America. The modern term "cannibal" is derived from the name of the Island Caribs (Kalinago), who were encountered by Christopher Columbus in The Bahamas. Numerous cultures in the Americas were reported by European explorers and colonizers to have engaged in cannibalism.

I remember reading about this many years ago and the number of cannibals that existed in the Americas were in the millions. As I recall, when people started arriving from Europe they brought in many diseases, these diseases were diseases that the native people had not built up immunity to and they resulted in a huge plague that swept across the Americas and the area experienced a mass extinction event.


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14 Oct 2024, 8:57 am

jimmy m wrote:
The article that I cited above also goes on to say:

Sponsored by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, Columbus completed four voyages for Spain across the Atlantic Ocean. However, his conquests – and the subsequent genocide and colonisation of Indigenous people in the Americas – have been widely condemned. As a result, many states and cities in the United States have decided to rename Columbus Day, the holiday in honour of the explorer, to recognise the violence committed against Native Americans since Columbus and his crews arrived on shore.

This is probably a travesty of justice. Christopher Columbus was a very remarkable person. The main point that many of these people who which to delete Christopher Columbus form the history books missed is that the entire region at the time was populated by cannibals.

According to Wikipedia: Cannibalism in the Americas has been practiced in many places throughout much of the history of North America and South America. The modern term "cannibal" is derived from the name of the Island Caribs (Kalinago), who were encountered by Christopher Columbus in The Bahamas. Numerous cultures in the Americas were reported by European explorers and colonizers to have engaged in cannibalism.

I remember reading about this many years ago and the number of cannibals that existed in the Americas were in the millions. As I recall, when people started arriving from Europe they brought in many diseases, these diseases were diseases that the native people had not built up immunity to and they resulted in a huge plague that swept across the Americas and the area experienced a mass extinction event.


Lying doesnt help your argument.

The fact is that nobody is trying to "eliminate Columbus from the history books".

Quite the opposite. Its the status quo that is a whitewash that ignores atrocities Columbus personally committed. The current movemet is about exposing both sides of the Columbus story.

The fact some native American tribes committed canibalism doesnt justify targeting all natives of the two continents for genocide. Thats like saying "Europeans indulged in witch burning...ergo Native Americans should have crossed the sea to Europe...to exterminate Europeans.



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14 Oct 2024, 9:06 am

I remember around 70 years ago, going to class as a Freshman in High School and one of my teachers brought in an object and passed it around in class for everyone to touch and hold. It was a shrunken head.



She was a young teacher and this was her first year. Her father was a diplomat who worked in South America and had brought this home. It was a gift that one of the natives gave to him.


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14 Oct 2024, 9:28 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Lying doesnt help your argument.
The fact is that nobody is trying to "eliminate Columbus from the history books".


Are you sure about that?

Approximately 29 states and Washington, D.C. do not celebrate Columbus Day. About 216 cities have renamed it or replaced it with Indigenous Peoples' Day

While the second Monday in October has historically been celebrated as Columbus Day and is still federally recognized as such, many have pushed for moving away from the holiday to acknowledge the atrocities Columbus committed against people living in the Americas long before his arrival. While the second Monday in October has historically been celebrated as Columbus Day and is still federally recognized as such, many have pushed for moving away from the holiday to acknowledge the atrocities Columbus committed against people living in the Americas long before his arrival.

Source: What is Indigenous Peoples' Day? What to know about push to eliminate Columbus Day


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14 Oct 2024, 9:44 am

Between 1492 and 1600, 90% of the indigenous populations in the Americas had died. That means about 55 million people perished because of violence and never-before-seen pathogens like smallpox, measles, and influenza.

Prior to Columbus's arrival in the Americas in 1492, the area boasted thriving indigenous populations totaling to more than 60 million people. A little over a century later, that number had dropped close to 6 million.

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14 Oct 2024, 10:30 am

Nearly 20% of the population in Portugal is believed to "be Jewish" according to DNA. Most of them don't know anything about it and don't identify as Jews.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/discove ... -portugal/


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14 Oct 2024, 11:01 am

jimmy m wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Lying doesnt help your argument.
The fact is that nobody is trying to "eliminate Columbus from the history books".


Are you sure about that?

Approximately 29 states and Washington, D.C. do not celebrate Columbus Day. About 216 cities have renamed it or replaced it with Indigenous Peoples' Day

While the second Monday in October has historically been celebrated as Columbus Day and is still federally recognized as such, many have pushed for moving away from the holiday to acknowledge the atrocities Columbus committed against people living in the Americas long before his arrival. While the second Monday in October has historically been celebrated as Columbus Day and is still federally recognized as such, many have pushed for moving away from the holiday to acknowledge the atrocities Columbus committed against people living in the Americas long before his arrival.

Source: What is Indigenous Peoples' Day? What to know about push to eliminate Columbus Day

Thanks for confirming my point...that nobody is trying to remove him from the history books...or from half of the place names in both Latin and Anglo America.

So now that we agree lets move on and return to the topic of the thread.

Yeah...remarkable individuals can cause evil...Lindberg admired the Nazis, and then there is Werner Van Braun.

Columbus was as much a smooth talking salesman as a great navigator. But he was no mean navigator.



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14 Oct 2024, 12:01 pm

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Columbus was as much a smooth talking salesman as a great navigator. But he was no mean navigator.


Actually he was an exceptional navigator. There were some people at the time who believed the world was flat. If you sailed too far away from the mainland, you would fall off the edge of the planet.

Actually that was not true. Most people at the time believed the world was round.



But I think at the time of Christopher Columbus, most people believe that it was round. Christoper Columbus believed it was round. He was trying to go around the world to India but he didn't realize there was an entire continent of the Americas that stood in his way.

It was the Genoese seaman, explorer and adventurer Christopher Columbus, who discovered the trade winds. These winds carried his three modest-size sailing vessels all across the Atlantic at its widest, from the Canary Islands to the Bahamas, a distance of 5400 miles, in 36 days, in 1492.

On the morning of August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus set sail on his first voyage to the Americas. He sailed south along the west coast of Africa, searching for the easterly “trade winds,” discovered earlier by the Portuguese, that would propel his fleet westward toward what he thought was India.

The trade winds are a component of a global-scale tropical circulation feature known as the Hadley cell. This cell is driven by the fact that the equator is heated more intensely than latitudes to its north and south, resulting in the production of collections of thunderstorms girdling the globe roughly along the equator.

The rising air that fuels these thunderstorms spreads out at the tropopause (about nine miles high) and heads both north and south. Cooling at the cloud tops of this poleward-directed air forces it to sink at about 25 degrees latitude on either side of the equator. The sinking air that reaches the surface in the Northern Hemisphere heads southward toward the equator in a huge vertical circulation cell. The rotation of the Earth, and the resulting Coriolis force, turns this southward moving air to its right, creating the near surface trade winds.

Source: What are the trade winds?


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14 Oct 2024, 5:49 pm

I went to the 8th grade. I know all of that stuff about the prevailing winds.

And you're right that all that bs about how everyone thought the world was flat in his time is just that...BS. The educated elite of that time knew the world was spherical for 2000 years by then. The argument Columbus had with his prospective patrons was not over shape, but over the size of the planet.

Ptolemy actually measured the circumference of the Earth in 300 BC and came within like two percent of the actual figure. But Columbus made the planet about half its actual size and would argue that "Japan must be only 600 miles west of Portugal" (either in honest error or as part of his sales pitch). :lol:

But...he was probably the first person in history to get a research grant to test a theory...so he was the forerunner of most scientists today.



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15 Oct 2024, 3:32 pm

I try to stay skeptical any time I see an article saying that a controversial historical figures was actually from some other country or religion than was traditionally thought. Plenty of people want Columbus to be from their nation because they love him, and many more dont want that because they hate him.

Columbus especially is one of the most politicized, controversial figures in history, so I prefer to stick to the most accepted, boring version of events: he was an Italian from Liguria. I find it doubtful that a Jew would accept a mission from Spain (of ALL places) to go overseas to spread Catholicism.

Big irony? If Spain had stayed Muslim, the Jews of Iberia would not have had to either convert or leave when the Catholics were back in charge. Muslim rule in Iberia was a tolerant golden age of for the Jews living there--as much as Zionists forget that and desperately want the rest of us to forget that too.


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15 Oct 2024, 3:51 pm

^ I used to think along those lines too...that it was like all of the "Shakespeare wasnt Shakespeare" theories...that the plays attributed to that low class schmuck who grew up in Stratford-on-Avon were really written by Francis Bacon, or by the Earl of Such and Such, or by one of several others.

But the evidence does seem to show that Columbus was NOT an Italian. And the Portugese contender grew up in a Portugese town of the same name that Columbus gave to one of the first islands he discovered: Cuba (among other evidence). So now I give the Anti Genovese more respect than I do the Anti-Stratfordians.



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16 Oct 2024, 6:30 am

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I went to the 8th grade. I know all of that stuff about the prevailing winds.

And you're right that all that bs about how everyone thought the world was flat in his time is just that...BS. The educated elite of that time knew the world was spherical for 2000 years by then. The argument Columbus had with his prospective patrons was not over shape, but over the size of the planet.

Ptolemy actually measured the circumference of the Earth in 300 BC and came within like two percent of the actual figure. But Columbus made the planet about half its actual size and would argue that "Japan must be only 600 miles west of Portugal" (either in honest error or as part of his sales pitch). :lol:

But...he was probably the first person in history to get a research grant to test a theory...so he was the forerunner of most scientists today.


Actually it was Eratosthenes who measured in the circumference of the Earth in 300 BC, not Ptolemy. I agree with everything else though.