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18 Jan 2008, 10:24 am

Vaccines and autism

Nevada County residents remain skeptical of immunizations

By Dave Moller, [email protected]
12:01 a.m. PT Jan 18, 2008

A new report refutes a common notion that the mercury-based preservative thimerosal once used in children's vaccines causes autism.

That may be hard to believe for many skeptics in Nevada County, which had the lowest state percentage of incoming kindergartners fully immunized in 2006 at 73 percent. That compared to 93 percent statewide, according to an appeal for parents to get their children vaccinated against disease written last April by county Public Health Director Dr. Joseph Iser and local children's health educator Dr. Cynthia Schuetz.

The new report is in the January issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry by Dr. Robert Schechter and Dr. Judith Grether, using data from the California Department of Developmental Services. The doctors conclude, "The DDS data do not show any recent decrease in autism in California, despite the exclusion of more than trace levels of thimerosal from nearly all childhood vaccines" since 2001.

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18 Jan 2008, 1:33 pm

I wish people would realize that thimerosal isn't the only problem with vaccines. There is all kinds of toxic crap in vaccines. Some vaccines are contaminated with stealth viruses and other pathogens. Some researchers believe that something in the vaccines other than thimerosal may cause autism and other autoimmune disorders.



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18 Jan 2008, 1:34 pm

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Some vaccines are contaminated with stealth viruses and other pathogens.

No, they're not.
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Some researchers believe that something in the vaccines other than thimerosal may cause autism and other autoimmune disorders.

No, they don't.


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18 Jan 2008, 1:47 pm

beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
Some vaccines are contaminated with stealth viruses and other pathogens.

No, they're not.


Yes they are. http://www.ccid.org/stealth/interview.html

beau99 wrote:
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Some researchers believe that something in the vaccines other than thimerosal may cause autism and other autoimmune disorders.

No, they don't.


Yes, vaccines may cause autoimmune diseases. Here's the evidence: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm

I can back up almost every statement I make with evidence. I don't make this stuff up.



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18 Jan 2008, 2:03 pm

I don't see how you can discount the possibility of auto-immune disease, when that's the very system they're designed to work on...?


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18 Jan 2008, 2:08 pm

GlaxoSmithKline, manufacturer of the hepatitis B vaccine called Engerix-B admits and lists on a package insert that its vaccine causes adverse reactions in over 22%. They admit their vaccine may cause the autoimmune disorder Guillain-Barré syndrome. http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_engerixb.pdf

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ADVERSE REACTIONS
Using a symptom checklist,† the most frequently reported adverse reactions were injection site soreness (22%) and fatigue† (14%). Other reactions are listed below.

Body as a Whole: Fever (>37.5°C).
Nervous System: Headache†; dizziness.†
Body as a Whole: Sweating; malaise; chills; weakness; flushing; tingling.
Cardiovascular System: Hypotension.
Respiratory System: Influenza-like symptoms; upper respiratory tract illnesses.
Gastrointestinal System: Nausea; anorexia; abdominal pain/cramps; vomiting; constipation; diarrhea.
Lymphatic System: Lymphadenopathy.
Musculoskeletal System: Pain/stiffness in arm, shoulder, or neck; arthralgia; myalgia; back pain.
Skin and Appendages: Rash; urticaria; petechiae; pruritus; erythema.
Nervous System: Somnolence; insomnia; irritability; agitation.

Hypersensitivity: Anaphylaxis; erythema multiforme including Stevens-Johnson syndrome; angioedema; arthritis. An apparent hypersensitivity syndrome (serum sickness–like) of delayed onset has been reported days to weeks after vaccination, including: arthralgia/arthritis (usually transient), fever, and dermatologic reactions such as urticaria, erythema multiforme, ecchymoses, and erythema nodosum
Cardiovascular System: Tachycardia/palpitations.
Respiratory System: Bronchospasm including asthma-like symptoms.
Gastrointestinal System: Abnormal liver function tests; dyspepsia.
Nervous System: Migraine; syncope; paresis; neuropathy including hypoesthesia, paresthesia, Guillain-Barré syndrome and Bell’s palsy, transverse myelitis; optic neuritis; multiple sclerosis; seizures.
Hematologic: Thrombocytopenia.
Skin and Appendages: Eczema; purpura; herpes zoster; erythema nodosum; alopecia.
Special Senses: Conjunctivitis; keratitis; visual disturbances; vertigo; tinnitus; earache.



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18 Jan 2008, 2:19 pm

beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
Some vaccines are contaminated with stealth viruses and other pathogens.

No, they're not.


The CDC even admits this on their own website

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# SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey.
# SV40 was discovered in 1960. Soon afterward, the virus was found in polio vaccine.
# More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/conce ... tsheet.htm



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18 Jan 2008, 2:44 pm

zendell wrote:
beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
Some vaccines are contaminated with stealth viruses and other pathogens.

No, they're not.


The CDC even admits this on their own website

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# SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey.
# SV40 was discovered in 1960. Soon afterward, the virus was found in polio vaccine.
# More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/conce ... tsheet.htm

Cherrypicking gets you nowhere.

The safety standards are much more strict than they were 40 years ago.


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18 Jan 2008, 2:45 pm

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I don't see how you can discount the possibility of auto-immune disease, when that's the very system they're designed to work on...?

They build up the immune system, not destroy it.


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18 Jan 2008, 2:46 pm

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Some researchers believe that something in the vaccines other than thimerosal may cause autism and other autoimmune disorders.

No, they don't.


Yes, vaccines may cause autoimmune diseases. Here's the evidence: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm

I can back up almost every statement I make with evidence. I don't make this stuff up.

Whale.to is hardly a credible website for anything.


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18 Jan 2008, 2:53 pm

zendell wrote:
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# SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey.
# SV40 was discovered in 1960. Soon afterward, the virus was found in polio vaccine.
# More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/conce ... tsheet.htm

That was 50 years ago. If you can produce some evidence that's only 5 years old, that's still old information. Do you and your doctor want to be making decisions based on information that's 50 years old, or even on information that's only 5 years old?


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18 Jan 2008, 3:19 pm

MrMark wrote:
zendell wrote:
Quote:
# SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey.
# SV40 was discovered in 1960. Soon afterward, the virus was found in polio vaccine.
# More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/conce ... tsheet.htm

That was 50 years ago. If you can produce some evidence that's only 5 years old, that's still old information. Do you and your doctor want to be making decisions based on information that's 50 years old, or even on information that's only 5 years old?


My point is that it has been proven that about 10-30 millions vaccines were contaminated with viruses. There aren't tests for every virus so it's easily possible that this could happen again.



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18 Jan 2008, 3:22 pm

zendell wrote:
MrMark wrote:
zendell wrote:
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# SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey.
# SV40 was discovered in 1960. Soon afterward, the virus was found in polio vaccine.
# More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10–30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/conce ... tsheet.htm

That was 50 years ago. If you can produce some evidence that's only 5 years old, that's still old information. Do you and your doctor want to be making decisions based on information that's 50 years old, or even on information that's only 5 years old?


My point is that it has been proven that about 10-30 millions vaccines were contaminated with viruses. There aren't tests for every virus so it's easily possible that this could happen again.

It's also possible that I could get SARS from a library patron or be hit by a bus. It really comes to what we choose to worry about.


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18 Jan 2008, 3:24 pm

beau99 wrote:
zendell wrote:
beau99 wrote:
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Some researchers believe that something in the vaccines other than thimerosal may cause autism and other autoimmune disorders.

No, they don't.


Yes, vaccines may cause autoimmune diseases. Here's the evidence: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autoimmune1.htm

I can back up almost every statement I make with evidence. I don't make this stuff up.

Whale.to is hardly a credible website for anything.


The whale.to site provides a list of articles from other websites. I don't think you can claim that every site they link to isn't credible.

Do you think GlaxoSmithKline is credible? I posted information from the package insert that they produce and include with their own vaccines that says their vaccine may cause autoimmune disorders.

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GlaxoSmithKline, manufacturer of the hepatitis B vaccine called Engerix-B admits and lists on a package insert that its vaccine causes adverse reactions in over 22%. They admit their vaccine may cause the autoimmune disorder Guillain-Barré syndrome. http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_engerixb.pdf



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18 Jan 2008, 3:40 pm

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I don't see how you can discount the possibility of auto-immune disease, when that's the very system they're designed to work on...?


Some people do experience adverse effects from vaccinations. However, their effectiveness greatly outweighs it.



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18 Jan 2008, 4:11 pm

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Some people do experience adverse effects from vaccinations. However, their effectiveness greatly outweighs it.


That's debatable. I read a quote allegedly from the former Chief Vaccine Control Officer of the US Food and Drug Administration that disagrees with you.

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"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunisation of children does more harm than good." Dr J Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US Food and Drug Administration http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web3.html


Everything hasn't been fully researched so no one can say for sure that the benefits exceed the risks. I hope this doesn't offend you but I think the Chief Vaccine Control Officer knows more about vaccines than you so I will agree with his opinion.