Austrian man kept daughter in cellar for 24 years

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7369851.stm




That poor woman... and those poor kids, having never seen daylight!!

Cellar horror topic

I think this man had more psychological problems than the daughter ever did.

http://www.bigpond.com/news/breaking/co ... 228541.asp

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Poor girl.

Not only poor girl (who is now a woman) - poor her children, too!! How horrendous... clearly he's got some maaaaajor issues. :S

Can't work out how the wife apparently didn't know, though?

Well, he was obviously a control freak. He could have been able to stop the wife, even if she found out.

This guy is just sick, raping his own daughter and not really caring about the children as a result. I hope that the woman and her children get all the help they need.

The depravity of humanity never ceases to amaze me.
They'll all be scarred for life thru no fault of their own, its things like this that make it a struggle for me to hang onto any "faith in humanity."

There is no limit to some sicknesses!

And how did his wife not know?

He burn't a baby...thats just completely sick.

This is a new one. Low, that is; a new low.

One guy with a defective brain doesn't speak for the whole of humanity, though.

Well, you better start fathoming. That's your job.
Because that's the only way to stop this kind of thing from happening again.
When you border Germany -- state sponsor of the Holocaust --
it's pretty difficult to use the "unfathomable crime" explanation
for a modern crime not even 1% as severe.
Going through life with horse-blinders on either side of your head is always
an obvious and open invitation for the worst crimes against humanity.



Austrians, it's time to start expressing belief. Abuse happens, and it happens all the time.
Don't "disbelieve" it.
Disbelief contains an implied inner denial -- which is what causes this kind of history
to repeat itself over and over again, until people finally begin to learn there's a pattern.
The "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude practiced by the German people at large
is what allowed the Nazis to rise to their full power.
And is what is now contributing more generally to Europe's moral decline.

Last edited by Ragtime on 28 Apr 2008, 2:59 pm, edited 12 times in total.

It is impossible for her not to have known. How could he take in enough food to keep them alive without her noticing? How could she never had heard any noise?
Somehow I find the wife even more revolting than him...

More like cremate, the baby was a twin that died a few days it was born due to lack of care. I am surprised that the other children survied in those conditions.

I agree.
If she really didn't even suspect anything, that blasts "women's intuition" out of the water!

Oh that.

Just watching it on TV now... again.

I'm in Germany (next to Austria...) so naturally I have it on TV all day long.

They just show the exacts of where the woman and her kids had to live and all.

Interviews.

Just imagine that 3 of those kids have never ever seen anything but this small apartment. 4 rooms, kitchen, bath... no windows.



I'm trying not to be offended by your post Ragtime. I find this to be quite hard though.

Living in Germany, having friends in Austria and being a proud German and European and all that.


I start to wonder if America has the same attitude of Europe as we Europeans have of America.

We preach exactly the same about America that you just said about Europe.

Well, to help put you at a further distance from offense, I almost added a mention that America also needs to wake up to the abuses being perpetrated around them and by their fellow Americans. I refrained from making this side point -- and only barely -- because I felt it diverted the point, and furthermore, that it should be common sense to all concerned that America also has problems. (I doubt there is a member on WP that doesn't have major objections to America, so I'd be preaching to the choir if I caused America's laundry list of problems to appear on this site for the umpteenth time.)

My point is most certainly about humanity as a whole.
But do allow a person to take issue "part" by "part".
Because, if I say, "Oh, we all have problems", that won't fix anything.
Problems have to be dealt with point by point, area by area, country by country,
or else nothing will get solved. I'm saying, here, that if people open their
country's history books, they shouldn't be "shocked" and in "disbelief".
That they claim they are is alarming.

Do you believe I should not be concerned with Austria because I am an American?
Isn't such a view bigoted? Austrians are allowed to criticize Austria, but I am not?
I reject that false premise.
I am human, they are human. They are my business
even though we are seperated by an ocean, cultures, and we speak different languages.
I don't speak as an American, but rather I speak as objectively as possible.