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08 May 2008, 6:02 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 389140.stm

60th anniversary. 1948 to present day. Go them :)


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08 May 2008, 6:14 pm

And I would like to wish the state of Israel an unpleasant destruction in the near future.

Btw, you misspelled "Birthday".



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08 May 2008, 7:48 pm

Any nation, and/or person, that does not support Israel will
be destroyed. Sorry! But that is what the Bible says.

In case you don't know, Non-Christians will go to hell as their nations burn. Ouch! You too? :o



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08 May 2008, 8:08 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
And I would like to wish the state of Israel an unpleasant destruction in the near future.


Why would you say a thing like that? Shame on you! Are the Israeli people undeserving of what you Indians enjoy ... a homeland? Tell me Khan Sama, what is your stupid political reason for wishing Israel an unpleasant destruction in the near future? :?



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08 May 2008, 9:53 pm

Shalom aleichem, Bnai Yisrael.


Aw, and look. The al-aqsa martyrs and hamas are shooting fireworks in your honor.



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08 May 2008, 10:41 pm

Also, happy birthday to The Catastrophe! Yay for violently forcing hundreds of thousands from their homelands so you can form your racial nationalist state! Hope you've been enjoying your stolen land, Israel, happy birthday, and here's wishing you many more lucrative years of lobbying the U.S. Congress, hooray for Zionism!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus



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08 May 2008, 10:55 pm

Shalom to any Israeli posters. :)


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08 May 2008, 11:43 pm

sag_good_bad_guy wrote:
Any nation, and/or person, that does not support Israel will
be destroyed. Sorry! But that is what the Bible says.

In case you don't know, Non-Christians will go to hell as their nations burn. Ouch! You too? :o


Yeah,got a referance for that ?
Now lets think about this for a moment, there are 2 main "sects" in Judaism, Sephardic and Askenazi. 3/4 of the Isaraeli population are Askenazi.
Why is this important,well imagine if in 1948 a whole bunch of eskimo's decided to move to the middle east,they start a country,they decide to call that country "israel" would that automatically make them entitled to God's favour ? Well no,why would it.The Israelites of old,the 12 tribes were decendants of Abraham,through Isaac and Jacob,and eskimoe's far as I can tell are decended from mongolians,so why would eskimoes get blessed because they staked a claim on a patch of dirt in the middle east,any more then the palestinians,crusaders,turks,or anyone else who lived there in the past 2000 years ?

So what's my point ?
Only that they majority of "israeli's" are more closely related to eskimoes then Abraham,Isaac or Jacob.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A9659C8B63

A team of geneticists studying the ancestry of Jewish communities has found an unusual genetic signature that occurs in more than half the Levites of Ashkenazi descent. The signature is thought to have originated in Central Asia, not the Near East, which is the ancestral home of Jews. The finding raises the question of how the signature became so widespread among the Levites, an ancient caste of hereditary Jewish priests.

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I mean central asia isn't that Turko-Mongolian ?

The article goes on
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They say that 52 percent of Levites of Ashkenazi origin have a particular genetic signature that originated in Central Asia, although it is also found less frequently in the Middle East. The ancestor who introduced it into the Ashkenazi Levites could perhaps have been from the Khazars, a Turkic tribe whose king converted to Judaism in the eighth or ninth century, the researchers suggest.

Their reasoning is that the signature, a set of DNA variations known as R1a1, is common in the region north of Georgia that was once occupied by the Khazar kingdom. The signature did reach the Near East, probably before the founding of the Jewish community, but it is still rare there.
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Now I would consider the NY Times to be a fairly mainstream paper,it's not the KKK monthly or something.

Hey and doesn't the bible say it will be the fear of the LORD that keeps Israel safe ? So how come the USA is giving 3 billion dollars a year to the "israeli's" in defence aid.
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And actually aren't Jews leaving the israeli state at a faster rate then those immigrating there ?
Isn't the current wave of jews leaving Russia heading to the USA,not the israeli state ?
Doesn't the Bible say that all Israel will return ?
Well looks like they haven't,so how does that effect your interpretation of prophecy ?

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... ewpop.html Rank Country Jews % of World Jewish Population
1 Israel 5,313,800 40.6%
2 United States 5,275,000 40.3%
3 France 491,500 3.8%
4 Canada 373,500 2.9%
5 United Kingdom 297,000 2.3%
6 Russia 228,000 1.7%
7 Argentina 184,500 1.4%
8 Germany 118,000 0.9%
9 Australia 103,000 0.8%
10 Brazil 96,500 0.7%
11 Ukraine 80,000 0.6%
12 South Africa 72,000 0.6%
13 Hungary 49,700 0.4%
14 Mexico 39,800 0.3%
15 Belgium 31,200 0.2%

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your interpretation of prophecy.
Ancient Israelite commonwealth = established by covenant of God.
"israeli" state = established by covenant of man at the "U.N"

Maybe read up on the Israelite deportations from the northern Kingdom by the Assyrians and the forced emmigration of foriegnors to the area by the Asyrian king.
II Kings chapter 17 verse 23 on is a good place to start.
Modern israeli's being decended from ancient Israelites ?
Well,it doesn't look like it. Does it ?

Here's a jewish group that's against zionism
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/whatis.cfm

Of course now I'm all "anti-semetic" for not supporting the israeli state.No doubt that's enough to get me labelled terrawist by the US .gov.I'll be expecting a Delta force team to come through the skylight any minute now.
Off to Gitmo for me.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i8v ... 1PV7bADcoQ
"Anti-Semitism couched as criticism of Zionism or Israel often escapes condemnation since it can be more subtle than traditional forms of anti-Semitism, and promoting anti-Semitic attitudes may not be the conscious intent of the purveyor," it said."
That's the US State Dept.
It seems that it 's "racist" to criticise the "israeli" .gov
I wonder if that now makes it a "hate crime" if you disagree with "israeli" policy ?

Is it just me or is US policy being faxed through to the White House and State Dept. direct from Tel Aviv these days ?
Celebrate the birthday of the "israeli" state, I'd love to,but I'm still mourning the loss of a friend, The Republic of the USA.



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09 May 2008, 12:02 am

slowmutant wrote:
Khan_Sama wrote:
And I would like to wish the state of Israel an unpleasant destruction in the near future.


Why would you say a thing like that? Shame on you! Are the Israeli people undeserving of what you Indians enjoy ... a homeland? Tell me Khan Sama, what is your stupid political reason for wishing Israel an unpleasant destruction in the near future? :?


Let's cut and paste and see how that sounds, before we answer that ?
Are the Anglo-Saxon people undeserving of what you Indians enjoy ... a homeland? Tell me xxxxx, what is your stupid political reason for wishing Anglo-Saxons an unpleasant destruction in the near future?

Hmm an Anglo-Saxon white homeland,I'd love that,honestly to be around people like me,but wait isn't that all racist,"neo-nazi"sounding.

I mean a homeland for just one particular people,who'd want that ?
Isn't the multi-cult all wonderful ? Why wouldn't israeli's want poeple of all colours ,race and creed to come and "enrich" there country,I mean the traditional Anglo-Saxon lands of England,Australia,New Zealand,and even the USA have accepted vast waves of all people to their lands,and in fact I be hard pressed to name any "white" homeland on the planet,let alone a particular 'Anglo-Saxon'one.


Oh yeah 'what is your stupid political reason for wishing Anglo-Saxons an unpleasant destruction in the near future? ' I read that white nonhispanics will be a minority in the USA sometime around 2050,it would be nice if they had some place to go,to be around people of their own culture and ethnic backgroud.

jewish homeland ?
Really, I couldn't care either way,but what is good for one is good for another.
Let them have their racial homeland.
Now can I have mine ?



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09 May 2008, 2:26 am

I'd like to correct myself, I wish for the destruction of the state of Israel. A complete dissolution of the sovereign entity. I'm not wishing for mass murder, I just wish for the removal of an illegitimate state. I'm not against the settlement of Jews in the Levant, I'm against Zionism. There are many Jews who support my views.



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09 May 2008, 2:38 am

Horray for making everone hate us americans. supporting pushing people of their land since 1776.Not that I hate jews but they did just push those people off their land and a partialy responsible for the trouble the US is experinceing and is why islam hate us.Why do they have to own the land can't it just be owned by god so then one religion doesn't control it all and others dont feel like the underdog.


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09 May 2008, 2:53 am

Khan_Sama wrote:
I'd like to correct myself, I wish for the destruction of the state of Israel. A complete dissolution of the sovereign entity. I'm not wishing for mass murder, I just wish for the removal of an illegitimate state. I'm not against the settlement of Jews in the Levant, I'm against Zionism. There are many Jews who support my views.


Quoted for truth.


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09 May 2008, 7:29 am

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And I would like to wish the state of Israel an unpleasant destruction in the near future.

Btw, you misspelled "Birthday".


Because I was inebriated when I remembered to post it, and as usual I type on a laptop with a shattered screen, plugged into a borrowed monitor. Meh.. typos happen.

Given that theyve managed to achieve all the points any nation needs to become a real country, including continuous residence in the area, bleeding, dying, international recognition, self-government etc etc I see no reason why everyone should complain so much. Is it because they bomb palestine? Meh.. what sovereign state wouldn't? I can think of at least one large nation who is in the habit of bombing nations back into the stone age and replacing their governments based on a perceived threat, and a much lower bodycount (to scale.) They built a wall to stop suicide bombers? Never heard of that working before.... The threat of "Zionism"? ... Because even if there is such a conspiracy, how many people who are jewish know a sh*****g thing about it eh? How involved are you in India's secret program to nuke pakistan?* How involved am I in the work of MI6? How deeply involved are everyday folk in any nation when it comes to international secrets and behind-closed-doors deals?

Love your sentiment though. And in fact the string of vitriol in general that any mention of judaism seems to get on this site.

* Who knows if they have a secret plan to do anything? Maybe they do, maybe they dont? Because its a secret...


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09 May 2008, 8:46 am

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Love your sentiment though. And in fact the string of vitriol in general that any mention of judaism seems to get on this site.


He was talking about the Israeli state, not the Jewish religion.



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09 May 2008, 8:49 am

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Love your sentiment though. And in fact the string of vitriol in general that any mention of judaism seems to get on this site.


He was talking about the Israeli state, not the Jewish religion.


He might have been, but many others seem to think it all amounts to the same thing. Jew = Israel = Zion


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09 May 2008, 8:50 am

The two are one and the same. The Jewish state cannot be separated from the Jewish religion. :roll: