Schoolgirl slashed and teachers to get more rights

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Ante
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21 Oct 2005, 5:07 pm

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21 Oct 2005, 5:23 pm

Its absolutely shocking!! ! Considering the attacker was a girl and only 12 years old!

Its the children of the Thatcherite generation. Their parents don't care about other people, so the kids just follow their parents example and philosophy of the world, and it all comes out in something like this!! ! :x



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21 Oct 2005, 5:49 pm

It sounds like all they are doing is taking away people's liberty and the appeals process of parents when what they need is a tougher juvenile justice system. If the schools are pulling handguns off of juvenile delinquents in a country where long guns are heavily restricted, I'd say that implementing new disciplinary policies at the school or parental level is too little too late.

...And some of you in the UK want the US system to be more like yours. :roll:



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22 Oct 2005, 3:06 am

i disagree, sean. and i have direct, frequent and regular experience of this sort of behaviour.

the juvenile justice system is for when things get totally out of hand, and is a reactive process. prevention is always better than cure - surely it's better to have prevented the girl getting slashed (or teachers and other children being abused and harmed, or education being disrupted), than to deal with the problem, after it's occurred? i'm sure that, given the choice, she would rather not have been attacked, than see her attacker punished by the juvenile justice system.

and i am absolutely against demonising any one section of society - a 12 year old doesn't spontaneously develop into a slash monster. we all have a collective responsibility in society, whether we like it or not. these new measures mean that we can deal more effectively with the aftermath of an apathetic society, where the kids' heroes get away with murder (literally in some cases). but the problem needs to be addressed so that we don't have to deal with it, because it's not a problem anymore. i'd rather be helping kids to learn than stopping kids from hurting me or other kids, personally.

the fact is that when the parents or carers of a child support the school, an awful lot more can be done to address behavioural problems, which are often a kid's way of saying "i don't feel safe".



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22 Oct 2005, 6:35 am

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and i am absolutely against demonising any one section of society - a 12 year old doesn't spontaneously develop into a slash monster. we all have a collective responsibility in society, whether we like it or not.


Exactly my point, Vivi!! !!



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23 Oct 2005, 4:38 pm

I agree with Vetivert. I mean, when kids at school start misbehaving, some could get away with it so easily. A teacher could get into trouble for speaking with an angry tone when a kid is screwing around in class. I think that the discipline system should be revised so that the kids who do misbehave in school won't only get suspended or expelled (which is what kids want: to get away from school) but have to do community service or do some work, like cleaning up garbage and vandalism around campus. The reason why I say so, as I'm a kid myself in school, is because I'm sick of trying to listen to a teacher, and they keep on talking and being extremely distractive, making a learning environment almost impossible for me to learn in. It's extraordinarily hard for me to learn what I need in a disruptive and loud environment.


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23 Oct 2005, 4:50 pm

aspiegirl2 wrote:
I agree with Vetivert. I mean, when kids at school start misbehaving, some could get away with it so easily. A teacher could get into trouble for speaking with an angry tone when a kid is screwing around in class. I think that the discipline system should be revised so that the kids who do misbehave in school won't only get suspended or expelled (which is what kids want: to get away from school) but have to do community service or do some work, like cleaning up garbage and vandalism around campus. The reason why I say so, as I'm a kid myself in school, is because I'm sick of trying to listen to a teacher, and they keep on talking and being extremely distractive, making a learning environment almost impossible for me to learn in. It's extraordinarily hard for me to learn what I need in a disruptive and loud environment.


I would say that would work if you start it at every level (mainly bullying as thats were fights and stuff come from, trust me I have experience with this.) I would hate having to clean up when other kids bullied me and pushed me to the point of fighting (course I hated being suspended too.) If you try to stop it before then sure.

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It seems like a couple bad apples spoiling the bunch to me, how would you like being judged by the actions of a few aspies/auties.


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