Why arethe Israelis allowed to get away with such injustice?

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This is very disturbing...

Link: FOOTAGE OF ISRAELIS ATTACKING PALESTINIANS

They seem to shoot Palestinians this report says. But the thing that disturbs me is the lack of justice involved in aiding the Middle East peace process.

The Israelis claim that the Bible says it is "their" land. But that is total nonsense. You can't base that on a 2000 year old book. Does that give them the right to kill Palestinians? Why are such religious fanatics allowed to get away with murder?

Clearly if the Israelis are always invading and stealing Palestinian land and building NEW settlements why does this let them get away with murder?

I mean aren't the Israelis hypocrites? After World War 2 did they not learn anything from the murders of Hitler or the pogroms of Russia? It seems very disturbing that they are using the God excuse to get their own ways. It's like they are insulting the memory of their people.

I agree, that the situations of Palestinians is bad and that Israel should treat them different and protect them against such attacks.

But there are a few wrong points in your statement.

The Jews actually bought a large part of the area that's today Israel from Arabs, they where not stealing it. Other parts where occupied after being attacked by neighbor countries.

The Palestinians didn't behave any better. Actually they started the violence.

By far not all Israelis are religious fanatics and base their claims on those old scriptures. They're simply born in this country and defend their lives against people attacking them.

After that many years of more or les permanent war it doesn't make much sense to ask who started that war or who is doing wrong. People live there, they have to handle that situation.

After all: The Jews managed to built a country and stable society against all odds.
The Palestinians would have done far better, if at any point in time they would have started to built schools instead of bombs.

Israel gave back Gaza, and now missiles from Gaza land randomly in Israel every day.

Stimshieme,
Go live there for a while and get to know the people. You would learn what really goes on, and whose fault it is that it continues.

Ouch...

I'm no history expert this is just my opinion.

Israel actually seems to show incredible restraint and mercy.
Imagine if native americans started launching missiles at the United States
to take it back... I'd think half the people would talk about blasting away their
reserved land. I don't know anything about the situation with the Australian aborigines
(Except vaguely from the lyrics of the 1980's band Midnight Oil).

But I'm very surprised that Canada returned it's northern part to the "eskimoes"
especially because of the huge ratio of actual land area to actual persons,
so much that I'd think that none of them would even walk the perimeter of
their own lot, if it were actually divided that way. I'm not aware of any violence there;
it seemed like maybe they just had to say "PLEASE?".

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First, I shall discuss the inaccuracies in stimshieme's description of the situation.

"The Israelis claim that the Bible says it is "their" land. But that is total nonsense. You can't base that on a 2000 year old book."

You're right that it is total nonsense. But most Israelis don't reference the Bible in their justification of Israel's existence. The UN resolution of 1947 and the peace treaties signed by both sides after Israel's war of independence are the justifications for the existence of Israel in the pre-1967 borders. The presence of the settlements in the West Bank is quite controversial, and there is a movement to move the Israeli civillians back across the green line, keeping only a military presence as a police force against radical Palestinians making and storing bombs.

"Does that give them the right to kill Palestinians? Why are such religious fanatics allowed to get away with murder?"

No, it does not. But you must understand that the atrocities in this video are the exception, not the rule, and that the Israeli government does take action to prevent these events.

In my opinion, there are several things Israel needs to do in the name of justice.

1) Remove all illegal settlements east of the green line (not all settlements are illegal.) Maintain a military presence to prevent missiles from being stored or launched into Israel.

2) Provide monetary compensation for Palestinian families in return for their forfeit of a right to return.

3) Lighten the terms of the sentences of Palestinian prisoners.

4) Open up many more checkpoints along the counter-terrorism barrier, allowing better traffic flow. Additionally, they should issue many more permits to Palestinains to cross the green line.

5) Set up an affirmative action program inside Israel to combat the de-facto discrimination against non-Jews.

All the Palestinians need to do is one thing:

1) Don't attempt to kill Israelis. This applies to those on either side of the green line. This applies to Israeli soldiers who aren't attacking them.

I'm no fan of Israel - but since the Palestinians voted for Hamas, I find myself rooting for Israel. Not because the Israelis are all saints, but because, if the tables were turned and Hamas was as powerful as the IDF, would there be any Jews left alive in the place?

Pfft. It's a sad situation and one that is never going to go away. The only way I can see it ending is when someone decides to unleash the nukes I'm afriad. Israel was never really going to work in the long run, a blind man could see that, but it was one of the hidden agendas behind the second World War. Give The Jewish people their promised land and then defend it, at any cost. It was decided a looong time ago by the major financial backers of Britain and America.

America's (and unfortunately the UK's) wreckless and costly foreign policy of reccent years has basically been in an effort to protect this state's existance from their enemies - occupy Arab land and set up bases there to defend Israel. The US also plough in billons of US tax payer's money just to keep it afloat. The front page up above says it all, Britain and America are the only reason Israel was created and continues to exist.

This fight has been going on since the time of Abraham and its been very bloody, think of it as a enormous family fight. Jews and muslims come from the same faimly however jews have been around much longer so I think they do have a legitimate claim on that land and more.

I would like to point out that the Arabs allied themselves with Nazi Germany in fact they set up concentration camps in the middle east. Neither side is free of crimes but I will be sticking with Israel because one they are the calmest and two god said that if you help Israel then you shall receive blessings.