Wannabe "anarchists" riot in San Francisco

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21 Dec 2008, 9:49 pm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 14SA8V.DTL

Sigh. San Franciscan youth have a history of cargo cult style behavior with regards to civil unrest elsewhere. During the 1992 LA riots they threw hunks of asphalt through store windows near Union Square. One comment on that article called them Trustafarians, since they all come from wealthy families and have fat trust funds. I remember talking with some of these kids, and they whined that their parents didn't really trust them with their trust funds, and kept threatening to curb their access to the moolah. Look buddy, I come from the working class, you know that same working class you're supposedly fighting for? We don't GET a trust fund! We're just trying to survive! Blank stare. Useful idiots to the max. Tools of the old boomer leaders of the insurgency-cults. I suppose they don't realize that in the first purge, they'd be shipped to Alaska.



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21 Dec 2008, 10:20 pm

It's a strange place...tho I haven't seen it since about '65....

Anarchy doesn't really work, there's always going to be someone who leads, and many who follow. You think they'd have learned from the Spanish Civil War...;)



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23 Dec 2008, 12:14 am

It strikes me as absurd to make such broad generalizations about a large city unless you live there or have lived there recently.

Of course the behavior described in the article is even more absurd.



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23 Dec 2008, 10:11 am

"According to mall management, the protesters were part of a "Solidarity with Greek Uprising" demonstration, which began in the Mission District earlier in the afternoon. An international day of action was called on Saturday to protest the death of a young man in Greece in early December."

And how, one wonders, is throwing a planter off a balcony in a mall in San Francisco supposed to help or support a riot in Greece? What influence might it have on Greek policing techniques? Will it assist in the toppling of the Greek Government? Or is it just students following the latest anti-establishment fad?


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27 Dec 2008, 5:02 am

pakled wrote:
Anarchy doesn't really work, there's always going to be someone who leads, and many who follow. You think they'd have learned from the Spanish Civil War...;)


That's not a good example because Anarchism was VERY effective in the Spanish Civil War

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"And how, one wonders, is throwing a planter off a balcony in a mall in San Francisco supposed to help or support a riot in Greece? What influence might it have on Greek policing techniques? Will it assist in the toppling of the Greek Government? Or is it just students following the latest anti-establishment fad?


uh. Because the US Government has a history of supporting right-wing Greek Fascists and Monarchists in the Greek Government during the Greek Civil War, among other similar acts. Then there's the idea that solidarity throughout the world helps to strengthen ideaa, ties and modes of communication and helps distract the powers that be and makes it easier for people to set up communes or autonomous zones or whatnot.

Then there's Bloody November.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... DNI63coiGQ

which spawned the 17 November insurgency group.


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27 Dec 2008, 7:15 am

It was a local event, handled by local authorities. It had little to no effect on the American Authorities, and was no more distracting than if they had done it for s**ts and giggles.


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28 Dec 2008, 6:40 pm

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That's not a good example because Anarchism was VERY effective in the Spanish Civil War


No kidding. A lot of people assume because fascism won the Spanish Civil War means that is a failure of anarchist Spain. This is clearly not the case, and it shows a horribly vague understanding of that period in history. Anarchist Spain was small, it started very poor, and it had no international support. They were able to be a strong force at the bargaining table where the communists were backed by Stalin and the fascists were backed by the Axis. How is it a failure to be an isolated area with no international support who manages to hold their own against a militaristic conglomerate of super powers?



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28 Dec 2008, 9:02 pm

It's nothing now like it was in 65.


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28 Dec 2008, 10:45 pm

SertraOD wrote:
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That's not a good example because Anarchism was VERY effective in the Spanish Civil War


No kidding. A lot of people assume because fascism won the Spanish Civil War means that is a failure of anarchist Spain. This is clearly not the case, and it shows a horribly vague understanding of that period in history. Anarchist Spain was small, it started very poor, and it had no international support. They were able to be a strong force at the bargaining table where the communists were backed by Stalin and the fascists were backed by the Axis. How is it a failure to be an isolated area with no international support who manages to hold their own against a militaristic conglomerate of super powers?


Anarchists never win wars, because they are never able to organize themselves properly. Besides you can't build a decent society overnight via anarchy. You can only improve society gradually and incrementally.



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29 Dec 2008, 1:06 pm

Macbeth wrote:
It was a local event, handled by local authorities. It had little to no effect on the American Authorities, and was no more distracting than if they had done it for s**ts and giggles.


No kidding. I hear that people who were only a few blocks away at the time didn't notice anything unusual.