time for a revolution?

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ive bin tracking the the news lately and this is what ive heard . the united states senat just voted on and approved an 800 billion dollar or so stimulis package for our econmy. all senators had 8 hours to read the 1100 page document . a senator said not 1 senator read the whole document. i heard all senators voted on it, and it was approved. im so so pissed off at my self this was the first year i became a registerd voter, and i voted. im going to recind my registration, i dont want to dignify our governments political process by voting in it. i say greese your guns and power up the gazettes the time for revolution by any means necessary was when the last senator voted , on the last measure they voted on

i realy believe people on the spectum would run this gov. more honest and efficiently. i hope the internet still works when all the smoke clears from the apex of this madness. which appears is going to be economic colapse

hmm...I understand the romance and passion of revolution
I understand the excitement of revolution

it's the part where they line me up against a wall and shoot me that gives me pause...

No thanks, a revolt is too much work.

Some have long seen the reality of the system, but now all are being shown.

The banks are bankrupt, the media is lying, and Congress is showing that they take bribes and know nothing.

Half of this bailout is for the rich and upper class who face paying at least the Alturnitive Minium Tax, AMT, which allows them to write off stock market losses and pay no tax.

So instead of those making $1,000,000 a year having to pay $220,000, they will pay nothing on money they did earn.

So as Rome burns, a tax holiday is declared for the highest earners.

These people have suffered, some of their estates and resort homes are only worth half of last years value. They lost millions on the house in the Hamptons.

Their art collection is way down.

The rest goes to States to pay unemployment, which is taxed, after skimming a big chunk.

I say a new party, and a flat tax on net worth with no deductions.

Mark all home mortgages to market, and reset them at 3%.

Some big Banks are bankrupt, they need to be closed. About 3/4 are solvent, help them.

We The People are still 70% of the economy, and 98% of the vote.

The 2010 Party!

Just about every form of government has been tried since civilization for nations large and small. The one we have is, believe it or not, probably the best. If nobody is particularly happy with how things are run, that means the system is working, and compromise is in effect. We're too big to be efficient, so we settle for streamlining our inefficiency in familiar ways.

This would also be a good time for me to mention that my signature below is, in fact, sarcastic.

thax for all your insights

Been reading this post, and the various comments to it, and, while I understand, because of the incredibly complex and fouled mess that much of the world's in, the desire for revolution on some folks' parts, I would have to say that, if you're going to try, best to make considerable preparations for it beforehand.

Why??? 'Cos making a revolution is generally a long, hard, and often very violent and bloody slog of a process.

It means amassing enough people and resources to get it successfully started, more still to keep it going, and yet more to victoriously end it.

It means being prepared, especially if one goes the violent route, to be captured, imprisoned, tortured and/or killed by the opposition, or, at the very least, being forced into exile, and to have one's family, friends and comrades have the same things happen to them, whether they're part of the movement or not.

It means being prepared, if one's in a leadership position, to sacrifice one's comrades' lives and health in operations against the current system, whatever it may be.

If one's in a sub-ordinate position, it means being prepared to be sacrificed(i.e. killed, wounded, captured or missing).

It means, at times, even having to purge the ranks of the revolution's leadership and rank-and-file of those who dissent from the general strategic, tactical and political lines set out by those in charge, and purging usually means someone's throat ending up getting cut.

It also means that many of the dreams and goals one hoped to become reality at the revolution's end may not come to pass, or may happen, but in a much more limited, or even distorted, form, because of the circumstances during and especially immediately after the revolution.

It means having to simultaneously build a new society, politics, economy and social structure, as well as a new infrastructure, while rebuilding as much of the old physical infrastructure that was either destroyed, damaged or neglected during the revolution, and before.

It means a lot of very hard work, time and effort put into making the revolution, with few to no chances of real success, especially over the medium-to long-run.

If one takes all of these factors into account, weighs them, and finds that, in the balance, the best and only available course is revolution, then have at it.

Just remember that it will come with very high costs, in terms of lives, resources, time, talent and effort.

It took the Vietnamese Communists thirty years to achieve total independence and unity for Viet-Nam, and to kick out the French, Americans and their allies.

For nearly two decades after that, Viet-Nam was a very poor country. It's only been within the last nearly twenty years that it has begun to recover from the effects of thirty years of war and revolution.

If one also takes those same factors into account and decides that revolution isn't the best course, best to find out what other courses there are that can and will work, and go ahead at full steam with them.

Making a revolution's not a game. It's a serious, very deadly serious, business, and should never be undertaken lightly at all, particularly as the stakes involved are so high.

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Make it a kegger!

We'd probably be damned if we do and damned for sure if we don't have a revolution. It doesn't really matter because as a whole we don't have the mindset it takes for a revolution.
It wouldn't be easy or quick and we Americans (and other modernized countries) have to have things easy and quick.
You'd have to go into it accepting that you'll die fighting not for your benefit but but for the benefit of future generations, if it's even successful.

i always believed humans are like sheep, and they are being harvested for their energy in more ways than one

Oomogi: humans may be like sheep in some respects, particularly in some of the more deletrious manifestations of the herd mentality(just look at the behaviour displayed by stockbrokers, investors, etc, in both boom and bust cycles on the stock market.

But, unlike sheep, we can, if we wish to, reason out better solutions to problems than just instinctively panicking and going along with the herd and its leader.

That takes work, and actively thinking, to do that.

As for being harvested for energy and other purposes, that's been going on a long time now. Slavery, in its various forms, was and is just that: the harvesting of human energies, time, talents and strengths through uncompensated labour so those benefiting from it wouldn't have their "precious" time and energies used up in drudgery.

Feudalism, at its core, worked much the same way, as does capitalism, albeit in a much more sophisticated manner than the other two systems, and so did the various Marxist-Leninist forms of socialism, and the Italian Fascist/ German National Socialist systems.

All are based, at their cores, on the same principle, that of a guiding elite freed up for intellectual labour, while those below them at various levels are worked, unless they are "surplus" labour, to maintain said elite's control. Some of these approaches are cruder and more direct than others, but, at their hearts, remains the same principle.

One of the things that disturbs me at times is the use on segments of the American Left and Right is the use of the term "sheeple", meaning an unthinking follower of the Establishment line.

Yes, there are plenty of folks out there like that. Let's take that as a given for argument's sake.

What disturbs me about the term is the mentality behind it, that one who isn't a "sheeperson" is somehow more enlightened and therefore superior to those around him or her, thus entitling him or her to essentially do and say whatever he or she likes, because, however unjust, immoral or amoral, or even criminal one's deeds might be, they can all be justified in the name of one's cause.

Thing is, depending on which doctrine one follows, one may very well be a "sheeperson", but only following a different cause, and just as blindly as those who toe the Establishment line.

Conceivably, one could spend much of one's life and career following a particular doctrine and its leaders, only to find out in the end that one's been entirely had.

The Manson Family's followers are a good example of the former, and the People's Temple members, especially those who went to Jonestown, Guyana and died there, and the surviving Temple members as well, are good examples of both the former and latter phenomena.

People join causes for many reasons, many of them very personal. Thing is, just make sure not to turn off one's critical reasoning skills simply because one is part of a cause.

In some cases, it may be the difference between being suckered out of considerable sums of money, and having one's time, talents and energies utterly wasted. In others, it may literally be the difference between life and death.