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02 Feb 2009, 11:06 am

When I first heard that the doctor told the art student to "get a hair cut" I thought he was being offensive, but as soon as I read the story I understand how his staff were being abused. What do you think of this case ?

http://www.thelocal.se/17268/20090130/


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02 Feb 2009, 11:21 am

Some of these "artists" really need to get a life. There was the guy who placed black painted boxes labeled FEAR around Grand Central Station on 9/11/2002 and caused a bomb scare and the evacuation of the terminal. He claimed he wanted to comment on the pervasive fear in the city in the wake of the attacks. One guy arranged wooden triangles on a hillside at his university as a sculpture, but the gardening crews gathered them up and threw them away before his work could be graded. One guy put a dead cat in a container of antifreeze, and the cat absorbed the antifreeze and exploded. My favorite was the San Francisco art students who performed oral sex on each other as a work of "performance art". But this particular case has to be one of the worst I've heard of. By the way, I take Haloperidol in pill form for my Tourettes, and I have few if any side effects.



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02 Feb 2009, 12:06 pm

Grrr :evil: .....I have had contact with these types....

Thinking about them makes my head swirl. I will try to talk about it later.



02 Feb 2009, 2:44 pm

That's like Munchausens except they aren't doing it to gain sympathy but are they doing it for attention? If so, it's like MS.



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03 Feb 2009, 2:17 am

I have a great dislike of such "art" to me it is not art it is just being nasty.

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Some of these "artists" really need to get a life. There was the guy who placed black painted boxes labeled FEAR around Grand Central Station on 9/11/2002 and caused a bomb scare and the evacuation of the terminal. He claimed he wanted to comment on the pervasive fear in the city in the wake of the attacks. One guy arranged wooden triangles on a hillside at his university as a sculpture, but the gardening crews gathered them up and threw them away before his work could be graded. One guy put a dead cat in a container of antifreeze, and the cat absorbed the antifreeze and exploded. My favorite was the San Francisco art students who performed oral sex on each other as a work of "performance art". But this particular case has to be one of the worst I've heard of. By the way, I take Haloperidol in pill form for my Tourettes, and I have few if any side effects.


I think it may be dose dependant, I think that for TS that the dose will be quite small. At larger doses all manner of odd and nasty things might happen. I think that the doctor may have been making a joke about the neuroleptic malignant syndrome, which is not cancer can look like catatonia.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drug ... 82180.html


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03 Feb 2009, 2:55 am

Woodpecker wrote:
When I first heard that the doctor told the art student to "get a hair cut" I thought he was being offensive, but as soon as I read the story I understand how his staff were being abused. What do you think of this case ?

http://www.thelocal.se/17268/20090130/

I don't understand what he means by cutting hair?



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03 Feb 2009, 4:25 am

i think the woman must have something wrong with her for thinking what she did was a work of art and also that she'd get away with it, i hope the crimes she comitted are enough to get her sent to prison at least for a short while.


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03 Feb 2009, 5:52 am

art demands sacrifice. these cry-baby arguments that genuine patients were kept waiting would be applicable if she did it for no reason at all, but there is obviously some idea behind this performance, or else konstfack wouldn't have approved it. besides, an artist doesnt have to answer to anyone

depending where she goes with it, it might be good or bad art, but personal attacks like those of that doctor are just ridiculous and immature



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03 Feb 2009, 6:53 am

buryuntime wrote:
Woodpecker wrote:
When I first heard that the doctor told the art student to "get a hair cut" I thought he was being offensive, but as soon as I read the story I understand how his staff were being abused. What do you think of this case ?

http://www.thelocal.se/17268/20090130/

I don't understand what he means by cutting hair?


I think that the MD means that she should make herself look neat and tidy before getting a real job.


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03 Feb 2009, 7:30 am

Abu_Zarqawi wrote:
art demands sacrifice. these cry-baby arguments that genuine patients were kept waiting would be applicable if she did it for no reason at all, but there is obviously some idea behind this performance, or else konstfack wouldn't have approved it. besides, an artist doesnt have to answer to anyone

depending where she goes with it, it might be good or bad art, but personal attacks like those of that doctor are just ridiculous and immature


what if she decided to go out and brutally murder a group of people in the name of art? what she did was only a few levels under neath that and she did commit several crimes whilst doing her 'art project'.


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03 Feb 2009, 9:06 am

come on its not in any way analogous to murdering people, those two are not even in the same ballpark. and if she hadn't admitted to faking it, she would never have been prosecuted at all. the only thing that makes her a "criminal" is her own admission, not her actions.



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03 Feb 2009, 9:15 am

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come on its not in any way analogous to murdering people, those two are not even in the same ballpark. and if she hadn't admitted to faking it, she would never have been prosecuted at all. the only thing that makes her a "criminal" is her own admission, not her actions.


if you drive twenty miles an hour over the speed limit you will be classed as comitting a crime, if you were driving towards an emergency with no other way to prevent it you will be excused, everything depends on reason.

if she were suffering mental problems then she would have been treated but as she can't due to faking she needs to be 'treated' another way.


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03 Feb 2009, 9:53 am

she needs to be given a medal and a ten thousad dollar grant. even if you think its "wrong" its still pretty much the most exciting thing to happen in the world of art since tracey emins unmade bed



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03 Feb 2009, 10:00 am

Abu_Zarqawi wrote:
she needs to be given a medal and a ten thousad dollar grant. even if you think its "wrong" its still pretty much the most exciting thing to happen in the world of art since tracey emins unmade bed


so if i 'pretended' to be a criminal and broke into a few peoples houses should i get a medal and grant? there were victims from this woman's pathetic attempt at art, if anyone should suffer it should be the artist.


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03 Feb 2009, 10:13 am

she's suffering already she'll have to pay fines and suffer the slings and arrows of self-appointed moral guardians(but then again who cares about those)

the difference between this and your burglary scenario is that her actions weren't criminal, only her reason for performing them were. its doesnt matter why you break into a house, its a crime in any case. thats the interesting aspect of this. the action is decidedly non-criminal, but the motivation is. i hope she reflects on that in her project



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03 Feb 2009, 10:23 am

spitting in someone's face is a form of assault, the woman spat in the faces of those trying to restarin her and so she commited assault, she also disturbed the peace which is also a crime.

her actions were criminal and if anyone else did what she did it would be criminal, if she did what she did outside of her 'project' it would be criminal and if there was nothing to do with psychiatry it would still be criminal.


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